I totally agree to all and this is a very great discussion indeed. I'm learning a lot and enjoing the exchange of knowledge.
There must be a huge gap between scientist and specialist on the one side and decision makers on the other side. The science is able to forecast heavy rainfall and give warnings. Radar data gives accurate information about precipitation and the hydrologists are able to forecast floods with high precision. All these is known and published very well.
At the other hand are so much people affected losing their homes. Mostly of them twice in short time. No one can be surprised by this. And this must be nothing new, that tropical cyclones carrying dangerous rainfall. In summer I visited Schyler VA and read in their museum about a hurricane in the 1940th which caused terrible floods and landslides with lots of fatalities.
I'm in flood protection planning in Germany. We determine the highest possible flood and boundaring out the flooded areas with laserscan data. These areas will be declared to flooding zones by state law. In further future it will be prohibited to build residental buildings in theses zones by federal and state law. Often is a levee the boundary of the zone. We are estimating the potential damage in these areas and getting diiferent damage functions. With that we are able to figure out the best and most effencial way to reduce costs at all.
Insurance companies are zoning without levee boundaries. If people are living in this zone it will be impossible for them to get a flood insurance.
Maintainance of the drainage system is a very big issue in Germany. Environmentalists are trying to renature the river systems to improve the quality. The embankments shall be natural and grown with trees and bushes. But in my opinion this can be dangerous in case of flood in rivers with levee protection. The velocity is going down and the water rises unexpected higher.
I'm not very familiar with the local law in the US. I recognized that the codes for house building are much more stricter in Germany than in the US. Maybe thats the key issue. By the way, the german laws and codes are having other issues and they also struggeling with an increase of major flood events.
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Steffen Krei S.E., M.ASCE
Dipl. Ing. (FH)
Neuruppin
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-26-2018 16:05
From: Dilip Barua
Subject: Flood frequency
I remember discussing the hurricane rainfall and flood frequency issues just about a year ago when Hurricane Harvey nearly drowned Houston. Too much water in too short time – water as rainfall, water as storm surge, the reduced capacity of gravity drainage flow because of high sea level, etc. Or water for an extended period of time. And one should not be surprised if the scenario becomes a recurring problem – in years to come in all storm/hurricane prone countries.
If one goes into some gov websites, such as: https://msc.fema.gov/, https://www.usgs.gov/ and https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ one would find many assisting literature/advices on storm, flood zoning, frequency, vulnerability, etc. But somehow there remains a gap between the scientific understanding and caution, and the actual implementation of housing and other civil engineering projects. If such gap exists what are the reasons? Perhaps one may look into different factors like:
- Lack of adequate and realistic zoning, local codes and regulations – or enforcing them.
- Lack of public education and convincing, or in not taking account of their genuine concerns and experience (they have the first-hand knowledge of suffering and what happens to them).
- Lack of understanding of developers, civil bureaucrats, politicians and governing bodies – and applying their powers to override or veto scientific and engineering concerns, advices and cautions.
- Inadequacy of conventional flood and rainfall frequency estimate routines in light of the probable enhanced storminess and rainfalls due to climate change.
- Role of insurance companies in the decision-making processes.
- Incompetence of engineers in understanding the problem – and in taking care of all different factors during the planning, designing and implementation processes.
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Dr. Dilip Barua, Ph.D, P.Eng, M. ASCE
Vancouver, BC, Canada
Website: https://widecanvas.weebly.com
Original Message:
Sent: 09-19-2018 08:57
From: Alan Nelson
Subject: Flood frequency
I agree that the storm forecasting that only uses hurricane categories is woefully inadequate to warn of the potential for high rainfall totals and the resulting flooding. However, as hydrologists, we must also recognize that with global warming and increased urbanization, the rainfall statistics that we use to determine various magnitude flood events need updating. The concept of increased rainfall intensity and the resulting "flood inflation" for various magnitude storm events needs to be addressed. With increased rainfall statistics, stream and river stage measurements across the country, we should be able to re-evaluate and update the decades old data used to predict rainfall/runoff amounts that are used to design and size critical storm water infrastructure. Whether we can agree that climate change is real and its causes, is not the important issue. Let's allow the data to drive the science and implement the findings in our storm water management programs.
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[Barry ] [Nelson] [LG, Aff. Member ASCE]
[Chief Hydrologist]
[Northwest Geoscience, PC]
[High Point] [NC]
[336 885 4381]
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