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Thoughts on Online Master's?

  • 1.  Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-09-2024 12:39 PM

    I am going into my junior year of undergrad and I am in the early stages of looking into graduate school. I am most interested in structural engineering, and I have heard from many engineers at my internship that having a master's in structural engineering proves to be very helpful. 

    Everyone's situation is unique. For me, I will have to fully find my own graduate education, and some online programs from accredited programs seem to be more financially feasible. The flexibility of online is also appealing. I may consider going into the workforce and taking my time completing a program. Some companies also offer tuition reimbursement and having my employer pay for the degree, while I am able to earn money working would be a game changer.

    Any advice or opinions are appreciated. Some of my general questions are: Are (accredited) online programs valued in the workplace the same/similar to attending in person? What was your experience getting your master's, and would you change anything? Is it realistic to work as a part-time engineer while attending school? Did you have any scholarships or financial aid?

    Thanks!



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    Liberty Boston S.M.ASCE
    Lakewood CO
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  • 2.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-12-2024 09:58 AM

    I'm not up to the level of answering your type of question, I'm still a Freshman.

    I think you can get a few key takeaways from this post, though https://collaborate.asce.org/careerbydesign/blogs/william-key/2019/05/20/why-you-should-be-pursuing-your-masters-online?hlmlt=VT



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    Victor Nwafor S.M.ASCE
    Abakaliki
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  • 3.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-14-2024 12:21 PM

    Liberty,

    Many options for graduate school how you attend and how costs are paid.  Planning to fully fund on own, if that means debt or more debt, would not be a choice for me.  

    Any advice or opinions are appreciated. Some of my general questions are: Are (accredited) online programs valued in the workplace the same/similar to attending in person?

    Response:   For those who I have worked with, online programs have been valued and people have readily advanced with them.  These folks were working and the online degrees advanced them from positions they were in so likely pursuit of the online degree was worked out before starting, I do not know the details.  The online degrees are technical, master engineering but also MBAs.    

    What was your experience getting your master's, and would you change anything?

    Response:  My experience, taking 1.5 years to complete as a full time student, on campus, would not change that - years ago before online options existed much although there were a few options 25 years ago.  

    Is it realistic to work as a part-time engineer while attending school?

    Response:  Yes, realistic, a matter of time management.  Having employer support just with the efforts, if not also paying for education expenses helps.  Can you use employer computer?  As noted previously, I was full-time, left an engineering job to be a student.  The town where I was working and living had no option for a civil engineering master degree.  

    Did you have any scholarships or financial aid?

    Response:  I saved up to pay for 2 years of school and live modestly, entering for master degree study 9 years after finishing bachelor degree, which made me older than most but not all students in my classes.  I was hired as a teaching assistant, something not planned or expected.  That made costs almost negligible, just several hundred $ per term for recreation, health center, other fees and then also books.   Being a teaching assistant would not be an option if I was not on campus at a large university and being full-time student. 

    Now 25 years later, my employer offers over $5000 per year to any employee pursuing a degree or certificate.  I believe many employers offer such benefits, at varying amounts.  When searching for a job, discussing benefits is relevant and expressing interest in graduate studies along with financial support for such efforts is something to do, certainly if that really matters to you.  

    Consider the value of licensure, getting a Professional Engineer license or possibly a Structural Engineer license depending on where you work.  A PE or SE likely has more value in the work place and the costs are much lower, putting time in to prepare.  More employers are likely to support PE license.  I did have a PE before going to graduate school and that was also the case with a couple of other graduate students although they were pursuing PhD studies at that time and I was just working on a master degree.  Most states allow for few years of work experience needed for the PE if you would complete the master degree in engineering so there is some value in that regard to completing a master degree before the PE.  That seems to make sense to me only for full time master degree studies directly after completing a bachelor degree.  If you are working, my advice is work on license, although typically that means 4 years of work experience.  Completing some classes, part time, online toward a master degree during those 4 years may get you close toward the degree.   Much a matter of time management.  



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    David Devine P.E., P.S., M.ASCE
    Fort Wayne IN
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  • 4.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-19-2024 10:05 AM

    Thank you for your valuable insight, David!



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    Liberty Boston S.M.ASCE
    Lakewood CO
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  • 5.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-19-2024 10:05 AM

    Great resource. Thank you, Victor!



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    Liberty Boston S.M.ASCE
    Lakewood CO
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  • 6.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-14-2024 12:19 PM

    I know plenty of people do it, but anecdotally, I found it very challenging to try to complete a masters in person while working full time and I ended up dropping out after a few classes. I took all of the courses that were relevant to my field first, the classes I had left were things like Advanced Soils, Advanced Transportation, etc. (which I would never be interacting with in facade engineering) and it had started to feel like a box ticking exercise. The company I worked for offered a partial tuition reimbursement program, but they only required a master’s for certain management positions that I wasn't interested in pursuing. If I could go back and do it again, I'd definitely consider extending my time in school with a 5-year bachelors/master’s program, but I don't know that I'd change anything.



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    Renn Henry
    Staff Engineer
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  • 7.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-19-2024 10:05 AM

    Thank you for sharing, Renn!



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    Liberty Boston S.M.ASCE
    Lakewood CO
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  • 8.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-20-2024 10:10 AM

    Renn, the requirement to take MS courses outside your area of interest sounds very odd to me. U Florida, which I attended, and Mississippi State U, where I taught for a few years, required only courses related directly to the specialty. 

    Bill Mc



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    William McAnally Ph.D., P.E., BC.CE, BC.NE, F.ASCE
    ENGINEER
    Columbus MS
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  • 9.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-20-2024 12:07 PM

    That one was my own fault; the masters program I enrolled in was a Masters of Engineering with a specialty in Civil Engineering. I had been told I needed a masters and staying at the institution where I got my bachelors seemed preferable for a lot of reasons, but that was their most relevant offering. It probably would've benefited me to look into online programs in a more relevant specialty, but by the time I got to rethinking that, I'd already decided against pursuing the degree at all. 



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    Renn Henry
    Staff Engineer
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  • 10.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-14-2024 12:20 PM

    Hey there, Liberty!

    I would love to share my story with you and then answer your questions directly. 

    Let me start off by saying you are totally right; everyone's story is unique. While this may have worked for me, I would definitely recommend searching for other opportunities specific to your interests or goals. 

    A few years ago, I shared your thought process and decided to pursue graduate school after interning as a structural engineer in my senior year. Many engineers advised that if the opportunity arises to do a master's, especially in structural engineering, one should take it. For me, it's not just a personal goal but also a means to focus on subjects that could benefit my career. In summary, I applied and was accepted to the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign for Fall 2024, although I did apply to other schools as well.

    I selected UIUC primarily because, besides being from Chicago, many of my past and present colleagues were U of I alumni, and also the university is renowned for its Civil Engineering program's excellence, both on-campus and online. The online program holds the #1 ranking nationwide. While I initially did not plan to pursue the online program, I was fortunate to receive a full-time job offer after graduation, which led mi to choose the online option. Fortunately, my employer provides tuition reimbursement, covering up to 75% of the expenses, with a maximum of $5,250 as per IRS regulations.

    Online degrees are increasingly valued on par with in-person degrees, particularly in today's environment where many workplaces operate on hybrid schedules and online interactions are commonplace. Until now I have not received any negative insight. A coworker of mine, who also recently graduated, will be pursuing her master's degree online at UIUC. I will be taking 2 courses; she will be taking 1. This might be demanding, but I am willing to sacrifice these 2 years of my life in hopes of a rewarding outcome. Also, I 100% prefer entering the workforce now to pay for my education, rather than maybe recieve funding to do research which I am not a fan of. My motivation stems from acquiring experience for professional licensing, making an income to sidestep student debt, and correlating school learning with job-site observations.

    I also applied to scholarships from the Structural Engineers Association of Illinois (SEAOI) and the National Council of Structural Engineers Associations, which thankfully I received. I am also eligible for FAFSA loans, which I might take, but with sacrifice, what I get paid is enough to cover the rest of the tuition. 

    I haven't encountered anyone who has completed their master's degree online, but I can give you more insight after this coming semester or year. Meanwhile, I hope this information is useful, and please don't hesitate to ask me any questions!



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    Alberto Diaz Loza Aff.M.ASCE
    Student
    Chicago IL
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  • 11.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-19-2024 10:05 AM

    Alberto, thank you for all those details! I may reach out in the future. 



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    Liberty Boston S.M.ASCE
    Lakewood CO
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  • 12.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-19-2024 10:02 AM

    Liberty - my comments below are agnostic regarding whether a program is online or not. I have met people who have completed degrees in both avenues. 

    To add another data point for you to compare to - many schools will offer partial or total financial assistance. This can come from the school in exchange for working as a teaching assistant, or it can come from doing research under an advisor who has grant money available. 

    Quick summary of my own experience - as a senior, our school picked up a new professor who needed a graduate student. at the same time, my school started a Teaching Fellow program where graduate students would teach labs or whole classes in exchange for tuition and a stipend. This program was good for 4 semesters, and when I ended up staying an extra semester to complete my graduate research (which I was also doing as an unfunded project), my advisor was able to fund my tuition and stipend for that final semester out of his own grant money. 

    In summary, there are many ways to pursue a graduate program while not bearing the total cost of the program yourself. Start looking around at schools, talk to your professors in the field for suggestions on places to look, speak to students in grade above you. Its highly likely you will be able to find an option that works for you. 



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    Christopher Seigel P.E., M.ASCE
    Civil Engineer
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  • 13.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-19-2024 10:03 AM

    Liberty,

    I am in the structural engineering field and have been for some time.  I really question the benefit of a master degree.  Generally you will be doing a lot quite simple designs, every once in awhile you will run into something that takes a specific knowledge.

    I do think it would be very beneficial to you enter the field and basically see if it is what you like, from there you may want to steer in a different direction, or maybe give you insight into what subjects you would like to pursue in your masters.  Also most companies will definitely help with tuition.  



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    John Stensgaard P.E., M.ASCE
    PRESIDENT
    S2E Consulting Engineers
    Thornton CO
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  • 14.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-19-2024 10:03 AM

    Ms. Liberty,

    I have a full time job and a family to support.  I am currently earning my Masters in Civil Engineering with an emphasis in Construction via the Distance Learning program (online) offered at Mississippi State University (MSU).  MSU offers both thesis and non-thesis options for the on-line Masters degree.  Below are my responses to your questions.  I hope they are helpful.

    1. Are (accredited) online programs valued in the workplace the same/similar to attending in person? - Yes, the online Masters in Civil Engineering at Mississippi State is both accredited and respected by my co-workers (the majority of them are Licensed Engineers, P.E.'s).
    2. What was your experience getting your master's, and would you change anything? - I have 9 hours left to complete my degree and my experience has been nothing short of challenging, rewarding, insightful, and satisfying.  I will say that the pursuit of my Masters has required a balance of my course work and my job requirements.  You will have to prioritize and balance the two.  I would neither change my decision to earn my masters, nor would I change my choice of MSU.
    3. Is it realistic to work as a part-time engineer while attending school? - Yes, it is realistic to work as a part-time and/or full-time engineer while attending school.  Keep in mind it will not be easy, but it will be worth the sacrifice.
    4. Did you have any scholarships or financial aid? - Unfortunately, I did not have any scholarships or financial aid.  I paid for the degree out of my own pocket.  However, my employer has afforded me opportunities to study/watch course lectures while on the job.

    I hope my response helps.  Good luck in your future endeavors.  I would give a close look at Mississippi State University, they have a great faculty, staff, support teams and want their students to succeed. 

    Garth Rogers, S.M. ASCE



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    Garth Rogers S.M.ASCE
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    Purvis MS
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  • 15.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-19-2024 10:05 AM

    When I finished my master's (2013) online classes were just starting to become popular. I don't see why online programs would be valued less than traditional in-person, if it's an accredited program. 

    I worked full time and took one class per semester to earn my master's. Sure it took a few years, but it was a good work/school/personal life balance. I think you can do it.

    If you can afford it, working part time and taking on more classes to finish your master's sooner should work too, but it will depend on where you can get a part-time engineering job. 

    Good luck!



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    Jeffrey Walkley P.E., S.E., M.ASCE
    Vice President
    Michael J Walkley, PA
    Towson MD
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  • 16.  RE: Thoughts on Online Master's?

    Posted 08-19-2024 10:07 AM

    Hi there, Liberty!

    A few years ago, I found myself in a similar thought process. Let me begin by affirming that you are absolutely correct; each person's circumstances are distinct. I am happy to share the strategies that have worked for me, but it's also beneficial for you to investigate various options and opportunities, as was suggested to me.

    I decided to apply for graduate school after hearing that, although not necessary, if I had the chance, it would be best to do a masters. It is also a personal and genuine goal for me. I applied to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, given its reputation for civil engineering. Also, mainly because I am from Chicago and most of the people that I've worked with are alumni. UIUC reports having the #1 online MS degree in the country, and it is also in the top of the normal in-person programs. Long story short, I applied for Fall 2024 and was accepted (I also applied to other schools just in case). While it was not my intention to do an online program, I applied for various internships upon graduation from my BS and started one, where I ended up receiving a full-time job offer instead. 

    This worked out luckily for me because my company offers tuition reimbursement for up to 75% of the cost, capped at $5,250 per the IRS. I also applied for scholarships from various organizations like the Structural Engineers Association of Illinois (SEAOI) and National Council of Structural Engineers Associations, which I thankfully received. I can also receive FAFSA in the form of a loan. 

    Based on my experience and perspective, an online program holds the same value as an in-person attendance, especially now when many workplaces adopt hybrid schedules. I work remotely on Mondays and Fridays, and in the office on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays.

    A colleague who recently graduated from UIUC is pursuing her MS online. We both work 40-hour weeks; she's taking one course, while I'm enrolled in two. It's expected to be challenging, but I'm prepared to make the necessary sacrifices for the next two years. What really motivates me is the following:

    • Gaining work experience for professional licensing.
    • Linking my observations from work and school.
    • Generating income and funding my schooling to stay out of debt.

    I have yet to meet anybody who has completed their master's online, but you can ask me in a year to see what my experience has been. In the meantime, I hope my insight can help you make the best decision possible. I wish you the best of luck!



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    Alberto Diaz Loza Aff.M.ASCE
    Student
    Cicero IL
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