Bill M - I agree. I'm still at the earlier end of my career, and new grads from my same university aren't doing the same thing I was just 10 years ago.
Our civil department leadership took feedback that we gave in our exit interviews and made changes. They made changes based on things they discussed with those in practice and in research. They had to re-up their ABET accreditation while I was in school which revises requirements over the years. They created a new course after my sophomore year that they added to our required coursework because they didn't want us to miss out on the content they'd added. They removed a couple of the engineering science classes that didn't act as a foundation for any of the Civil courses and replaced those with other courses instead. They added multi-disciplinary projects to help prepare students to work in a multi-disciplinary world. They added courses on developing technology like BIM.
It seems incredibly disrespectful to assume those who have dedicated their careers to preparing the next generation of civil engineers aren't doing anything to keep up with the ever-changing demands of our industry.
Bill H - if you know of specific programs that are behind the times, maybe it would be best for you to personally reach out to those programs and express your concerns directly. I don't think it is helpful to paint with a broad brush about what educators as a whole are or aren't doing the way you think they ought to be.
Heidi C. Wallace, P.E., M.ASCE
Original Message:
Sent: 10-09-2024 03:44 PM
From: William McAnally
Subject: <>Principles To Lead Others:
We may not be thinking about the same engineering curriculum, Bill H. The typical undergrad curriculum today is hugely different from that of 50 years ago. Even during my brief (2002-2014) teaching at the university level we significantly revamped our curriculum to adapt to changing science, technology, and practice needs plus a directive from the governing board to reduce the number of hours. Both the list of courses and content of those courses changed.
I'm pretty sure that most, if not all, engineering schools are adapting; not doing the same things over and over.
Bill Mc
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William McAnally Ph.D., P.E., BC.CE, BC.NE, F.ASCE
ENGINEER
Columbus MS
Original Message:
Sent: 10-07-2024 04:28 PM
From: William Hayden
Subject: <>Principles To Lead Others:
Thanks Bill!
Re: "It's an important topic; however, speaking of adding anything to the undergraduate engineering curriculum makes me cringe."
Well of course it would as it fly's in the face of some 50 to 80 years of doing. . . basically . . . the same stuff over and over....despite
the fact the world and its needs and demands have changed.
C H A N G E.
The notes are not intended to discount what the past edu-process supported.
But that time has clearly passed.
Cheers,
Bill
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William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
Buffalo, N.Y.
"It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
Original Message:
Sent: 10-03-2024 11:39 AM
From: William McAnally
Subject: <>Principles To Lead Others:
It's an important topic; however, speaking of adding anything to the undergraduate engineering curriculum makes me cringe.
The curriculum has been squeezed from both ends. Governing boards usually require a broad grounding in the general literacy, humanities, and arts to produce a well-rounded graduate. That typically takes 30 to 40 semester hours, twice the number from the 1950s. Under pressure from legislatures, publicly funded universities have reduced the number of required semester hours from around 150 to 130 or less over the same period. So, today's engineering bachelor's graduate has covered about two semesters less engineering subject matter than my generation. IMO, today's BS graduates are under-prepared technically and must immediately engage in continuing education of some form.
Perhaps you can see why I cringe. If we add something to the engineering undergraduate technical coursework, what do we take out to make room for any new material?
On the plus side, excellent leadership and teamwork training are available for working engineers. The U.S. Army excels in providing that training for both civilian employees and military service members. The other DoD elements may provide similar training.
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William McAnally Ph.D., P.E., BC.CE, BC.NE, F.ASCE
ENGINEER
Columbus MS
Original Message:
Sent: 09-27-2024 12:08 PM
From: William Hayden
Subject: <>Principles To Lead Others:
Excellent points Mitch, thanks!
So Dilip, Mitch,
What and how do we get our engineering educators to imbed these into their coursework?
i.e., not separate, but as a normal part of the Engr's tech lectures?
Cheers,
Bill
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William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
Buffalo, N.Y.
"It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
Original Message:
Sent: 09-25-2024 06:08 PM
From: Mitchell Winkler
Subject: <>Principles To Lead Others:
Key traits that I think of are Authenticity (sincerity and integrity), respectfulness, accountability for one's actions, a goal-zero mindset on safety, and a laser sharp focus on delivery and deliverables.
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Mitch Winkler P.E.(inactive), M.ASCE
Houston, TX
Original Message:
Sent: 09-17-2024 09:39 AM
From: William Hayden
Subject: <>Principles To Lead Others:
<>Principles To Lead Others:
INTEGRITY: We do what is right.
EXCELLENCE: We strive to be the best.
URGENCY: We serve people now.
EMPATHY: We care.
RESPECT: We treat each other right.
TEAMWORK: We work together.
PERSISTENCE: We find a way.
Q. What principles would you add to the list?
Cheers,
Bill
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William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
Buffalo, N.Y.
"It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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