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Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

  • 1.  Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 01-25-2017 04:52 PM
    Edited by Veronique Nguyen 01-25-2017 04:47 PM
    Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT) has grown as a potential candidate to replace the gas tax in many states.  Currently Oregon has a voluntary pilot program (OreGO), and a similar program kicked off in 2016 in California.  Many other countries also utilize this method to generate infrastructure funding, but only apply the fee on trucks.  While a fairer method of taxation than the current per gallon gas tax, VMT has opponents given privacy concerns over the collection of the VMT data from users.  What can we, as engineers, do to change the public perception of VMT and advance it as a better alternative to fund highway infrastructure projects

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    Aaron Frits P.E., ENV SP, M.ASCE
    Road Design Leader
    Lawrence KS
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  • 2.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 01-25-2017 10:26 PM
    We can assure highway travelers that there will also be a surcharge on VMT based upon weight of the vehicle. This is to make the actual impact to the highway infrastructure as well as the highway congestion impact are also included in the replacement tax.  If I remember my highway pavement design course, the impact to the highway is a logarithmic impact based on weight, so a 2 ton vehicle causes 4x more impact than a 1 ton vehicle to the pavement. 

    The gasoline highway tax was a very fair system as it also inherently covered this impact since MPG's are impacted by vehicle weight.  And you therefore buy more gas and pay more taxes.  This is an indirect carbon tax.  Which is a more fair impact to the highways as well as the pollution impact to the atmosphere.  

    For now I'm not a fan of switching to VMT as it does not address the impact due to carbon.  


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    Douglas Porter P.E., M.ASCE
    Lakewood CO

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  • 3.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 01-26-2017 03:25 PM
    I agree with VMT as an alternative to fuel taxes.  The reason it will work is because there are many more vehicles with electricity used for travel. Those vehicles move many miles using a lower cost fuel that may pollute less from the vehicle yet also generate pollution from the fuels used in power plants like uranium, natural gas, diesel, and coal. The electricity is limited in cost by state agencies to keep the cost of home power down, yet the roads, streets, and travel venues still cost money to build and maintain.

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    Jack Reinhard P.E., M.ASCE
    RETIRED
    Atlanta GA
    (210)248-8086
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  • 4.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 01-26-2017 09:35 AM
    I like the concept, but in urban areas with public transportation and poor air quality, it may not make as much sense. In the aggregate it might generate a lot of revenue, but individual VMT can actually be very low, particularly among the highest income city dwellers who are most capable of paying and who should be incentivized toward public transportation over their cars. It would be particularly regressive on suburban commuters: longer commutes are largely driven by cost-of-living considerations, so lower income commuters would pay more by-definition (lower income city dwellers tend to not have vehicles). 

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    Timothy Groninger P.E., M.ASCE
    White Plains NY
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  • 5.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 01-26-2017 09:36 AM
    The heavier the vehicle, the more impact it has on the roadway system.  Also, the heavier the vehicle, the more gasoline it consumes, and hence the more use tax paid when assessed as a gasoline tax.  While it may not be a perfect system, it seems more equitable than a VMT system that apportions a low-impact vehicle the same as a high-impact one.  Why replace the current system with one that is not only less equitable, but difficult to assess?

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    Jerry Coombs P.E., M.ASCE
    President
    Coombs Engineering
    Richardson TX
    (214)287-4696
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  • 6.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 01-26-2017 11:08 AM
    The breakdown of the argument is assuming that the heavier the vehicle, the higher the gasoline consumption.  Hybrids and electrical vehicles have low or zero consumption but also increase demand for roads and maintenance.  The purest user fee is a toll road but people hate them.  VMT can be adjusted for vehicle size and weight once people accept they must all pay in some form. 

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    Stuart Moring P.E., F.ASCE
    Dir Of Pub Wrks
    Roswell GA
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  • 7.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 01-26-2017 12:07 PM
    The gas tax as it is will be a dying model if we continue with it, and possibly GAW calculations based on loads.  The reasoning is that cars and trucks are getting lighter and consuming less fuel overall, and eventually they will be even lighter and consume zero gas.  I think the weight that can be handled by axles should be the basis for an annual tax (or gross weight of the vehicle as axles design may improve?).

    Also, there are roadways that need to be placed on diets.  Our infrastructure is built on a non-renewable resource, and as less of it is around the price will rise.  Alternatives should be sought out immediately, and maybe a great place to start would be to include carbon capturing roadways as there are literally tons of it out there in the U.S. highway system.

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    Michael Griffin P.E., M.ASCE
    Athens AL
    (251)599-4580
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  • 8.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 02-15-2017 12:16 PM

    Great to see the ASCE membership contribute to the current dialogue on the pros and cons of using a mileage based fee (aka VMT fee) to collect revenue to support transportation services. Special thanks to Aaron Frits for initiating the dialogue. A lot of very good points have been made. We at the UMass Transportation Center have been involved in transportation finance related research for more than 10 years including projects regarding the use of a mileage based fee. Here are a few observations based on our research.

    1. There is no shortage of opinions on the advantages and disadvantages of using a mileage based fee to collect (and not to collect) revenue to support transportation services.
    2. When considering the use of a mileage based fee to collect revenue to support transportation services we suggest that it be referred to as a “fee” rather than a “tax” when you view it as a “user charge for transportation services rendered”. A Washington D.C. based group, the Mileage Based User Fee Alliance, has been promoting the use of the term “mileage based user fee” (MBUF) to describe what many refer to as a VMT fee.
    3. While researchers, engineers, legal experts, policymakers, stakeholder groups, and others sort out issues and challenges related to establishing a mileage based user fee and as they test various technologies to collect the fee from road users, we should continue to consider other sources of revenues - both user and non-user based - (see https://ideas.repec.org/a/taf/transp/v39y2016i3p239-253.html) including placing mileage based tolls on roads with full control of access (e.g. interstates) that are not currently tolled. While the widespread use of tolls on interstates will likely require an act of Congress, such tolls can be collected easily with existing technologies and without traditional toll plazas which are expensive to build and operate and can significantly reduce the roadway capacity. In addition to generating needed revenue to support transportation investments, such tolls will enhance the public’s understanding of mileage based user fees and perhaps help the transportation community get greater public acceptance and policy makers’ support of mileage based fees using advanced technologies.
    4. On March 16 at the New Zealand Embassy in Washington D.C. the Mileage Based User Fee Alliance is holding the 4th Annual National Conference on “What, Where, and How” of implementing a mileage based fees using advanced technologies. Included will be presentations on the FAST Act Section 6020 grants and current state pilots mentioned by Laura Hale. For further details see http://www.mbufa.org/
    5. As we think about innovative ways to collect revenues to support transportation services fairly and efficiently, we also need to consider ways of reducing capital and operating costs incurred in the provision of services.


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    John Collura Ph.D., P.E., M.ASCE
    Professor
    South Hadley MA
    (413) 545-5404
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  • 9.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 02-17-2017 10:26 AM
    Although this discussion got started w/ VMT, let's include other potential ways of rebuilding/maintaining our Interstate system which is second to none in the world. 

    If it takes an an of Congress, as suggested, to convert the Interstate to toll facilities, then let's explore ways to make that a reality.  

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    Steven Rienks P.E., PMP, M.ASCE
    Naperville IL
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  • 10.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 01-26-2017 01:50 PM
    I have to agree with Jerry on this.  In General the  heavier vehicles will use the most fuel, and the gas tax is fair.  The VMT tax system will be very expensive to administer and there will be an entire cottage industry that will be created finding ways to get around it.  Maybe a better solution is to keep the Gas tax, and only use VMT to tax the electric/hybrid vehicles that the gas tax misses?

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    William Whiteley P.E., M.ASCE
    Poulsbo WA

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  • 11.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 01-26-2017 10:19 PM

    Missouri’s gasoline taxes

    Sadly for some, Americans are driving less and using less gasoline.

    Locally, increasing numbers of citizens are riding bicycles or opting for public transportation. Still others are buying scooters, mopeds and electric vehicles. To make matters worse, impending federal fuel efficiency standards are poised to further reduce vehicle fuel consumption. As a result of this perfect storm of disruptive trends, gasoline tax receipts continue to decrease significantly. Nationally, those seeking economy and energy independence are reportedly contributing to the ‘crumbling’ of America’s transportation infrastructure, ‘crippling economic growth, and hindering the development of sustainable, efficient communities’.

    Transportation engineers have undertaken to advise the U. S. Government on measures to ‘stabilize’ funding for the Highway Trust Fund, offering guidance to each individual state on how to establish long-term funding mechanisms to counter the progressive infrastructure deterioration. As an example, ASCE called upon its Missouri membership to lobby for enactment of a State constitutional amendment that would have established a state-wide sales tax increment dedicated, primarily, to the financing of highway and bridge construction and maintenance. Heedless, Missouri voters demurred.

    Many Missouri dissenters questioned why State legislators had not, since 1996, adjusted motor fuel taxes as part of the State’s effort to keep pace with rising road construction costs. More pointedly, why hadn't the major clients of the State’s highway system (i.e., interstate truckers) been asked to pay more in fuel taxes if Missouri’s crumbling transportation infrastructure had, indeed, become what sales tax advocates had proclaimed as ‘a critical threat to public health and safety?’

    Nonplussed by the sales tax rejection, and imagining that all politically feasible highway funding mechanisms have been exhausted, Missouri State legislators now appear flummoxed over how to proceed. Earlier, these legislators had effortlessly enacted legislation which penalized those Missourians who, motivated either by a conservation ethic or concerns for the planet’s future, were contributing ever less to the State’s fuel tax revenues.

    For instance, to marginally compensate for the decline in gasoline tax revenues, Missouri’s solons had imposed, not a tax (Missouri’s conservative representatives are united in their opposition to taxation.), but an annual decal fee ($75 + $3.50) on alternatively-fueled vehicles, including all-electric cars.

    How great a penalty did the Missouri legislature impose upon the purchasers of electric vehicles? Consider the per gallon surcharge obtained from Missouri’s annual decal fee - or, as a clear-thinking, down-to-earth Show Me Stater might brand it, Missouri’s electric vehicle gas tax.

    Based on three year’s experience with our modest electric car, we have logged 8,365 miles, almost totally within our (Columbia) city limits. If, instead, we had used our 44 mpg hybrid to travel this same distance, we would have actually burned 190 gallons of gasoline. For our situation, then, Missouri’s electric vehicle gas tax calculates as ($78.50 per year times 3 years) or $235. When divided by 190 gallons not consumed, we were taxed $1.24 per virtual gallon.

    (According to the Department of Revenue: Missouri’s fuel tax rate is 17 cents a gallon for all motor fuel, including gasoline, diesel, kerosene, gasohol, ethanol blended with gasoline, biodiesel (B100) blended with clear diesel fuel, …)

    Examining the costs of operating an electric car is also instructive. An electric vehicle records the number of miles driven per kiloWatt-hour consumed from its rechargeable batteries. This novel gauge indicates that the vehicle routinely delivers 5 miles per kWh. The vehicle’s equivalent fuel cost then calculates at 2 cents per mile based on a local residential electrical use rate of 10 cents per kWh. To this, the State’s equivalent gas tax adds 23,550 cents for 8,365 miles or 2.8 cents per mile. (It might be worth noting that many of the electrons used for charging our electric vehicle’s batteries are derived from photons impinging on our roof-mounted solar panels.)

    While continuing to support realistic funding for maintenance of our state and national infrastructure and services, I believe we should call upon our political ‘anti-tax representatives’ to either rescind punitive, anti-conservationist taxation ploys or muster sufficient courage to tax all the State’s gasoline consumers at rates comparable to those demanded of citizens dedicated to conservation.

    Less than half the virtual gallon tax demanded of Missouri’s electric vehicle owner, say 50 cents per gallon, should sustain our aging infrastructure for quite a while.

    John T. O’Connor

    Columbia, Missouri



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    John O'Connor D.Eng., P.E., F.ASCE
    CEO
    H2O'C Engineering
    Columbia MO
    (573) 234-1012
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  • 12.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 02-02-2017 06:55 PM
    Toll roads work in other states, New Jersey, Ohio.  Keep fuel taxes and registration fees, use different means to raise revenue to keep roads repaired.

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    Alan Johnson P.E., S.E., M.ASCE
    Proj Engr
    Fraser MI
    (313) 881-5077
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  • 13.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 02-03-2017 11:40 AM

    I agree that there must be SOME way to better capture the cost associated with use, wear, and tear on roads. In a recent Wired article, Michael Manville, an assistant professor of urban planning UCLA, made what I thought is a pretty powerful statement about why we need a solution to the inadequate gas tax:

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    Roads are basically the only infrastructure we have that we experience daily shortages of... We don’t have rolling blackouts, the toilets don’t back up twice a day, and that’s not because the technology in those things is so much better. We just don’t give them away for free.”


    As far as cost model efficiency is concerned, VMT is comparable to that of other infrastructure rate systems such as water ($/GPD), electricity ($/kWH), gas ($/therm), etc. A surcharge for vehicle weight makes sense too, as that's often a component of freight calculations and is directly correlated with the intensity of roadway damage. As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke...

    From a behavioral economics standpoint, the best way to strike a balance between maximum participation and freedom of choice is an opt-out or 'presumed consent' system; a 'mandated choice' system could be used as well. Drivers would automatically be chosen ('presumed consent') or be required to choose registration for ('mandated choice') tracking VMT when they license/register their vehicle or when they acquire vehicle insurance. Both systems are statistically proven to increase participation. For users who opt-out in either system, registration fees or higher insurance premiums could be used to make up the difference, using an average VMT calculated through similar user and vehicle demographics.

    I see where privacy is a concern, but most folks are already regularly tracked (whether they know it or not!) by the MAC or Bluetooth addresses of the vehicles/devices. Services like Google and Waze anonymize and aggregate data, 'dumping' sensitive information. People don't seem to mind if their personal location is contributing to traffic data that makes their commute smoother, or if it allows targeted advertising that provide local tips and discounts. It can be done, but it's a matter of cultural acceptance - no easy feat!

    Keep in mind as well that expensive public infrastructure is OKAY so long as there is enough private investment linked directly to its upkeep - by some estimates, municipalities need a 20:1 private to public investment ratio to keep infrastructure investments solvent. VMT and weight surcharges may indeed relieve the costs of highways and suburban roadways that aren't lined with lots of tax-contributing property owners whose property/business investment can help with upkeep. In urban environments, infrastructure costs should be handled by land development patterns that profit the local economy (regardless of density), coupled with congestion pricing for the vehicles that DO contribute to infrastructure life cycle costs.



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    Carla Kenyon P.E., M.ASCE
    AECOM
    Austin TX
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  • 14.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 02-10-2017 03:59 PM
    Hi all- It’s great to see so many people talking about VMT! As we do some work on the issue in ASCE’s GR office, I wanted to offer a few thoughts and some links to good resources.

    As others have mentioned, a number of states are currently exploring using mileage-based user fees, with Oregon having the longest experience (since 2001). The FAST Act kick-started interest further by including funding for pilot projects (eight grants have been awarded). With continued improvements in vehicle fuel efficiency and the increasing popularity of hybrid and electric vehicles, state and federal policy makers see mileage-based user fees as a potential funding source to supplement or eventually replace fuel taxes. Some policy makers are interested in having variable rates for the weight or type of vehicle (such as charging heavier vehicles more), as well as their utility as a congestion management tool (by charging variable rates depending on congestion along a route). There are clear technical challenges in the use of mileage-based fees, which is why testing out various approaches with volunteers in pilot projects is so important. ASCE supports mileage-based user fees as one option for sustainable transportation funding and believes there should be continued testing.

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    Laura Hale
    Manager, Federal Government Relations
    American Society of Civil Engineers
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  • 15.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 02-13-2017 09:26 AM
    I strongly favor a multi variable VMT transportation fee.  The variables must include time of use, route, weight, and possibly other factors as well.  We have the technology to start implementing this immediately.  We seem to have no problem revealing how many kilowatts of electricity we use, how much water we use, how many therms of natural gas we use, how many Gigabits of data we use on cellular networks, and many other items where we pay buy the unit--why do people object to paying for transportation on a per unit basis?

    Response to previous comments:

    Privacy:  This continues to be bantered about as a deal breaker.  This in an environment where tracking a persons' movements is relatively easy for law enforcement.  Consider video monitoring on highways, at fuel stations, parking lots, retail outlets--I counted no less than 9 cameras outside a rural Walmart recently.  Add in the tracing of credit card expenditures.  Then add in IP tracing.  Then add in mobile phone geolocation capabilities.  Look how relatively quickly law enforcement identified and located the Boston Marathon bombers.  The travel data is not only needed to asses a fee to the users, but this data will greatly enhance the ability of transportation planners and designers to prioritize, model, and design more efficient infrastructure projects.

    Urban Areas:  Many object to VMT in urban areas as unfair.  In congested areas the time of day and route variables will be key.  These rates can be set to encourage diversion to other modes and to encourage ride share as well as travel time shifts.  Think of the VMT in congested urban areas as a lane rental fee.  Whatever the MPG of the vehicle, it is still occupying space on a fixed capacity system and should be charged proportionately to the use.

    Weight:  While it is true that heavier vehicles cause more wear on pavements and structures, the weight variable should not be simply an increasing (logarithmic) function.  I recall traveling in Switzerland through a tolled tunnel.  I was told the toll for empty trucks was double the toll for loaded trucks to discourage congestion from empty trucks--increase efficiency of utilization.  While the industry is decreasing the number of empty (back hauls) trips, perhaps the VMT function should adopt this strategy as well.

    Economics:  The cost of transportation has been estimated to be one of the lowest monthly household expenditures.  I would argue the transportation system provides at least as much utility as a smartphone--society has demonstrated their ability and willingness to pay for mobile connectivity; why should we not expert the same for the transportation system?

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    Martin Hanson P.E., F.ASCE
    Starboard Tack Consulting
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  • 16.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 02-13-2017 02:16 PM

    VMT methods of raising money for roads and bridges are inefficient and only help the government build bigger databases about its citizens.  It also will start a whole new "industry" of cheating on the data (like air quality data, etc.).  The gas tax is relatively efficient because it's collected on the wholesale level.  Fuel retailers,  auto-makers, and the consumer don't have to be involved.  And, there's is no huge government agencies collecting data and sending out bills.

    If there are going to vehicles that don't use gas or diesel, then work up a separate method for them alone, or have them pay a set amount per year.  Don't swipe the vast majority of vehicle into this government nightmare.  And, don't penalize those who have fuel-efficient vehicle with the same fee-level as gas-guzzlers.  Doesn't make any sense.



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    Franklin Sherkow P.E., F.ASCE
    Partner, Southstar Engineering
    Yachats OR
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  • 17.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 02-14-2017 02:12 PM
    A quick national view of Google Maps with Traffic enabled and Typical traffic selected shows the areal extent of congestion where a VMT tax would be suitable. One can see congestion is very limited in terms of extent.  So why should a VMT penalty be instituted elsewhere?

    I submit that toll roads to augment interstates would be a more equitable solution to the highly localized "congestion" problems.  

    Without going into the questionable degree of CO2 influence on climate change (other factors include black carbon deposition effect on albedo, evapotranspiration, and natural variability, not to mention original sin) the concept that fossil fuels are a finite resource is justification that a fuel tax is the most appropriate solution.

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    Stephen Hemphill P.E., M.ASCE
    Semi-Retired
    Rio Rancho NM
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  • 18.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 02-16-2017 08:17 PM

    Cellular networks enable VMT-based roadway funding and VTS-based traffic policing.

    Aron Frits begins this discussion with the premise that, despite the data tracking concerns of some, VMT is a better alternative than the gas tax to fund highway infrastructure projects. Martin Hanson suggests that tracking is already occurring everywhere and that most people seem not to be concerned.

    Perhaps the issue can best be bi-furcated into two parts. The first relates to the issues of technology and efficiency. The second relates to the issues of policy and politics.

    The efficiency of data tracking for revenue collection has increased dramatically since the earlier days of collection booths scattered along toll roads and bridges. Automated vehicle detection has simplified the process and lowered the cost of revenue collection. It has also enabled tracking of personal data pertaining to subscribers of tolled roadway services.

    With the advent of cellular phone networks, and the programming of new apps for mobility services, the data tracking for revenue collection that was previously possible only with toll roads, is now potentially available for most all heavily-trafficked roadways. With it comes tracking of continuous time and location data of not just vehicles, but of roadway users as well. It is heightened concern about the collection of personal identification data that brings rise to the issues of policy and politics.

    There are several VMT-based revenue collection policy issues that must be resolved. Cellular networks are privately owned. Roadway networks are, for the most part, owned by a variety of federal, state and local governments. Public-private partnership agreements must be put in place to enable collection of VMT data from private cellular network owners for use by public roadway agency administrators. These agreements must spell out the policies for what data are collected, privacy protections and user fees to be paid. The framework for establishing these agreements is subject to political influence.

    One potential opportunity and benefit derived from cellular networks relates to policing; namely, in regard to vehicle travel speed, or VTS, data collection. Cellular networks enable collection of real-time VTS data. California has all but given up controlling excessive speeding on its highways. Freeways posted for a maximum 65 mph routinely operate at speeds in excess of 75 to 80 mph. Highway Patrol officers acknowledge that state legislators have no interest in strict enforcement of speed laws because it would create a backlash by voters. Never-the-less, excess travel speeds are a major factor in traffic accident and fatality rates.  

    Each state, along with the federal government, has its own legislative authorities to assess and collect taxes and fees to fund transportation infrastructure and services. Local agencies are generally dependent on taxing authorities delegated by their state.   

    In the case of California, and perhaps elsewhere, elected officials have been reluctant to raise the gas tax. Likewise, they will be reluctant to establish a VMT-based roadway tax. Perhaps they will be more inclined to channel the fees needed to fund roadway improvements through private-sector cellular networks. This is what has been done in the case of cap-and-trade funding in the energy industry, where the State has imposed a tax on air pollution to fund the State’s high-speed train project and various other programs. Adding a mobility fee to a phone bill appears to be a relatively easy task. This approach to funding roadways, bridges and other transportation infrastructure may be more attractive to the public and its elected officials. Unlike the gas tax or general sales tax, where the cost/benefit connection between the user and the payer is more ambiguous, a mobility charge gives the appearance of a service fee, as in the case of water or electric services fees. Sometimes, appearances are everything.

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    Albert Perdon P.E., M.ASCE
    Consultant
    Albert Perdon & Associates
    De Luz, CA 92028-8069
    albertperdon@...
    310.871.1113
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  • 19.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 02-17-2017 10:25 AM
    I'm interested as well as everyone else.  I recall seeing an ITE presentation on Oregon's program, OreGO and it sounded like they attempted to address privacy concerns by having 3rd party entities as an option to collect fees and travel information instead of the State.  Another interesting finding was that at least so far, rural drivers were overall charged less than Hybrid and Electric vehicle drivers who currently pay little or no gas tax.  
     

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    Ernesto Longoria P.E., PTOE, M.ASCE
    Civil Engineer, Sr.
    City of Overland Park
    Overland Park KS
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  • 20.  RE: Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT)

    Posted 08-03-2017 12:11 PM
    Edited by Miles Brumbaugh 08-03-2017 12:10 PM
    Dear Colleagues,
    Please allow me to suggest a somewhat different perspective that includes all comments to date, and goes beyond them.

    The end-point objective, as I understand it, is the systemic care and feeding of our nation's infrastructure, including and going beyond our highway systems.

    Recently I came across a new way of thinking about a cross-discipline/cross-marketplace partnership to accomplish that very objective.

    It has been posted in the "ASCE Collaborate" family of topics as "Improving Infrastructure."

    Please consider reading and evaluating its utility.

    Thank you for reading and considering my thoughts.

    Cheers.

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    William Hayden Ph.D., P.E., CP, F.ASCE
    Amherst NY

    "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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