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  • 1.  Quality Vs Progress

    Posted 08-11-2019 10:02 AM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 08-11-2019 10:01 AM

    Quality is an important factor to have end products as specified. But when following quality standards, time consumption is more important. If quality inspections are less strict, then progress will be increased. However, these deviations should not go beyond the limitations. I feel progress is inversely impacted by quality. But quality also must be implemented. Therefore, optimization is only achievable with both progress and quality.

    Please share your experience with this topic.


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    Rohana Dasanayake M.ASCE
    Assistant Construction Manager
    Padukka
    940715331700
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  • 2.  RE: Quality Vs Progress

    Posted 08-12-2019 01:32 PM
    If you want to understand quality it is suggested that you study Toyota's Production System, the works of Deming, and in the context of civil engineering Lean Construction.

    If done right there is no conflict between quality and speed of construction.  In fact it is understood  that in order to maximize production you need to be very concerned about quality.  If you are producing a quality product regularly then  production increases.


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    Mark Gilligan SE
    Berkeley CA

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  • 3.  RE: Quality Vs Progress

    Posted 08-12-2019 02:08 PM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 08-12-2019 02:07 PM
    Hello Mark,

    Thanks for sharing your opinion and it is a pleasure to hear. 

    Actually what our practical experience in most of projects, reality is bit progress reduction was there when implementing strict quality controls. Maybe you are correct, but I feel it depends on country or region. However, the example you give that is 100% agreed, production can be increased with enhanced quality in an automated process. But construction field gives a bit slower progress with implementing quality process. It does't mean quality is not required.

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    Rohana Dasanayake M.ASCE
    Assistant Construction Manager
    Padukka
    940715331700
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  • 4.  RE: Quality Vs Progress

    Posted 08-13-2019 10:30 AM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 08-13-2019 10:30 AM
    Quality and progress as defined by Rohana Dasanayake are not opposites.  Construction projects require absolute quality.  Progress, defined as becoming nearer to the end of the project, only fails to happen when contractors fail to abide by the required quality standards.  Finishing a project that does not meet quality standards only results in a project that either needs to be redone because it is unsafe to use, or fails prematurely because its components wear out prior to design time periods.

    As civil engineers, we have a strict level of responsibility to ensure that the design standards that we need to implement in order to assure the expected results are adhered to in the construction phase.  We cannot ever allow a contractor to substitute materials that do not meet specifications in order to complete construction faster.  Civil engineers that are observing construction, and suspect inferior material being used actually have an ethical responsibility to get the materials replaced, and in most jurisdictions can be held legally responsible for the failure to properly construct the project.

    If we have an ethical contractor, and they have a reliable supply chain, then we should never need to substitute specified quality for speed of construction.  The contractor should have the quality materials that they need to meet specifications when they need them.  We prequalify contractors when we can to determine if they are ethical.  The supply chain is out of our control, but we can use the prequalification process to weed out those contractors that continually come in late because of poor supply chain.

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    Dwayne Culp, Ph.D., Ph.D., P.E., M.ASCE
    Culp Engineering, LLC
    Rosenberg TX
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  • 5.  RE: Quality Vs Progress

    Posted 08-13-2019 10:11 AM
    When it comes to production I think that's a great point Mark.  That said I agree with Rohana that civil field construction is a different animal.  In most cases the contractor is not also the designer.  So the contractor mentality is different from the designer.  Whereas the designer by nature wants absolute perfection and absolute adherence to specifications.  Their primary focus is protecting the public, but profitablity in mind.  On the other hand the contractor seeks to deliver an acceptable level of product as quickly as possible, while they care about the public their focus is being profitable to protect their business.

    And so the field engineer is born, to make compromises where required and make sure that deviation from design is avoided and if necessary then an acceptable change made.  Levels of acceptable variation will change from construction type.  Road design is more able to be adjusted, and also more likely as what's underground often differs wildly from the plans.  On the other hand structural designs are more rigid, no pun intended.  

    But I agree there is still truth doing things properly and of high quality is often more efficient.  In road field inspection I was keen to remind contractors to get grades correct or they risk having to rip it out and do it again.  Costing time and money.  The mantra I like to use it, "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast". Not unnecessary delay, but making deliberate movements and not rushing.  That's when mistakes and accidents occur, which can add a lot of time/cost.

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    James Smith P.E., M.ASCE
    Design Engineer
    Grand Rapids MI
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  • 6.  RE: Quality Vs Progress

    Posted 09-04-2019 08:51 AM
    If I may. . . . 

    Quality is conformance to requirements.

    Its not about "Pick one."

    Cheers,
    Bill


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    William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
    Buffalo, N.Y.

    "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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