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  • 1.  Experience with your first job

    Posted 04-18-2017 04:29 PM
    I'm curious how long people have typically stayed at one position – particularly their first position.  When and how did you know it was time to move on?  Do you find that company loyalty is less of a concern now than it used to be?  It seems like the more senior professionals are more likely to have stayed with one firm for a really long time (20+ years), while younger professionals seem to move around every 5 years or so.  How do you think this impacts our industry?

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    Linda Kaplan P.E., M.ASCE
    Sr. Structural Engineer / Project Manager
    Pittsburgh PA
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  • 2.  RE: Experience with your first job

    Posted 04-19-2017 09:36 AM
    First job as a profession lasted 24 years. during the 24 year after 14 years the company was bought out and I remain on with the new company until I was 55 and retired.  I have since returned to work at a different related company and i am in my 15th year.
    my first 14 years with the first company was very rewarding because of the company loyalty. Today Loyalty has changed in some areas, but I believe loyalty is alive. Today we are more mobile and have continuous communications. Opportunities are constantly being made available to "in demand" professionals, which was not the case 40 or 50 years ago. The environment has changed and companies have become better structured to manage change.

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    James Bryant P.E., M.ASCE
    project manager
    Keppel Amfels
    Brownsville TX
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  • 3.  RE: Experience with your first job

    Posted 04-20-2017 10:27 AM

    I've been at WGI for 15 years-straight out of college-and there are a few others that have been with us longer.  We began as a 30 person company and now are well over 300.  I've seen ups and downs and plenty of sideways moments, all of which have helped me grow in my profession.  I am fortunate enough to be a part of a loyal company that rewards perseverance and understands turnover is inevitable; both help build a great company.  My personal opinion is that career-minded professionals will incorporate their goals into long term goals of the company and a great company will do the same in return.  Conversely, my personal opinion is that career-minded individuals will focus on their own goals and not a greater good.  I believe this selfishness, among other reasons like the potential for a signing bonus and raise, is what drives individuals to frequently move from one company to the next in search of something they may never find.  I'm sure there are exceptions to both scenarios.  I advise any young engineer to look ahead as soon as possible and determine how their professional and company goals fit together and plan a career accordingly.

     


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  • 4.  RE: Experience with your first job

    Posted 04-20-2017 11:26 AM
    My time with my first employer lasted 25 years, but I progressed through a number of positions of increasing responsibility and breadth during that time, spending no more than about 3 years in any specific position (or on any specific project). With the time and growth, I became highly knowledgeable about the organization and could function in virtually any role--and there was high loyalty and commitment in both directions, as well as mutual respect. Some key management changes had a tremendous negative impact on the culture of the organization that resulted in a loss of management loyalty to its employees, so a number of us left. Looking back on it, leaving was a good thing for me as I had changed positions to negate the impact of the management issues, but as a result I was no longer being challenged (and I thrive on being challenged). But it is also clear to me now that the driving reason for leaving is that I no longer respected management and I could not bear to work for an organization that I no longer trusted.

    There are many articles available on the internet as to why people stay in a job and why they leave. Take a look at these articles and see which reasons apply to you. Some work for the paycheck as a means to do other things in their life that interest them. Some work to be with great people. Some work to be challenged or to learn, some work because they enjoy a supportive environment and a good boss, and some work to meaningfully contribute to something larger than themselves. Figure out what really speaks to you. The fact that you are asking this question may indicate that one or more of your critical needs is not being met.

    All that being said, one of my duties is making hiring decisions. When I see a resume where a person changes employers a lot, staying only 1 or 2 years with each, I'm generally not interested in them. My goal is to hire someone that will strengthen my organization. This is achieved by the new hire staying and growing in the advertised position at least 2 or 3 years and, as the individual develops, to be able to fill higher level positions within my organization. When I review resumes, I'm looking to find people that show a progressive increase in responsibility and not having an excess of employer changes. In short, I'm trying to distinguish between those that are truly growing their skills and those that are simply job hopping to chase pay. If I can find the ones that are interested in growing skills and responsibilities, those are the ones that offer the best possibility of strengthening my organization because they will love the work and the challenge and the quality of their work will reflect this. They will also be more likely to strive for positions of greater responsibility within my organization--gaining a vast knowledge of the organization, its customers, and its mission along the way--and this vast knowledge exponentially benefits the organization and its ability to succeed.

    Shari J. Brandt, P.E., M.ASCE
    Tucson, AZ




  • 5.  RE: Experience with your first job

    Posted 04-19-2017 11:30 AM

    When I was in school in the early 80's, I Was told the average professional would stay in one job about two years, and the same professional would change careers about every 8 years.  That being said, I was with Boyle Engineering for 10 years.  When I moved to Penfield & Smith Engineers, I was with them for nearly 20 years when they were purchased by Stantec and I have been with the same people under the Stantec Flag for 2 years.

     

    I am not interested in moving up into business management or I would have moved on.  I am more interested in program management or design/construction management and have had a great deal of diversity in that realm by staying put.

     

    My suggestion would be, look for those opportunities that are of interest to you, either inside or outside your company.

     

    I would also tell you this, when you sit down at your next job, it is time to start looking for the next opportunity. Don't wait until you get bored.  It serves several purposes, you know what is going on the industry, and you can see what opportunities you might like to pursue.

     

    Lastly, only you can make your job fun. And if you have fun, stay with it.

     

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    Stantec
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  • 6.  RE: Experience with your first job

    Posted 04-20-2017 09:41 AM
    I'm not a typical example because my first job was in the military, though I stayed in my first job after that for about 5 years.

    I would like to point out that the perception of younger professionals (aka millenials) changing jobs frequently has some nuances, based on data from the US Bureau of Labor statistics. This article published this week notes that college-educated young adults are staying longer with their employers in 2016 than they were in 2000. A related article shows that young adults today are more likely than the previous generation (those aged 25-35 in 1996) to stay in a job for 3-4 years.  That said, the median tenure in 2016 for ages 25-34 was only 2.8 years, and for men the median tenure has been slowly declining from 5.9 years in 1983 to 4.3 years in 2016.  I have not seen any industry specific statistics on these trends.


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    Steven Splitek, P.E., PMP, ENV SP
    Denver, CO
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  • 7.  RE: Experience with your first job

    Posted 04-20-2017 02:09 PM
    Edited by Veronique Nguyen 04-20-2017 02:08 PM
    First job, 4 years. Moved on due to spouse allergies in locale. Moving for a spouse was maybe worst mistake I've made.  Firm had loyalty to staff and vice-versa but economy didn't want to cooperate.  Very large regional firm.

    Second job, 8 years.  
    Ownership management was a geographic clique and management style changed suddenly one day about four years in. They were ignorant of managing to fit geographical economic differences. The main clique started making secret decisions to buy out other owners and install new managers from the clique who did little. Sales and morale suffered immensely. One could tell there was no future if you were not in the clique. Leaving was easy because company loyalty was a shambles. It was very hard to not burn bridges when exiting.?? People left for 10 to 25 cent an hour increases. Turn over is a sign of bad management. Medium sized firm but large in two locales.

    Third job was self-employment for 18 months. Was doing fine but needed support that was promised but not delivered. Local economy was beginning to take off so should have stayed in business but made hard decision to join a firm again.

    Fourth position was 3 1/2 years. Very large firm. Direct upper manager changed and new one was awful! Worked myself to exhaustion. Looked for new position for a year. Was involved in employment interviews and saw first hand career focus was changing in new hires. starting in mid-1990s.

    Fifth position was 11 years. Well run company and office managers. National economics led to firm exiting business sector I was in. Firm was loyal to a fault. Difficulty adapting to changing demographics and business styles. Many internal silos created challenges but could overcome them. Hiring was a challenge because newcomers did not want career position. They only wanted a two year gig. Draw pay, get trained and bail.

    Sixth position was 3 years. Small firm starting up after 2008 wall street depression.  Firm was operated ok but had little authority in team staffing decisions so got what someone else hired. Loyalty suffered as a result. It was not going well and could tell it was not going to work out. Left under mutual parting agreement.

    Seventh is going on 2 1/2 years at firm number five above. It has gone well.

    Millennials do not seem to want a career. They want to go work out in the gym. Go on trips. Not willing to work overtime. They seem to look for two year work gigs.?? Ask a question about five years out and they run. I had to change my interview questions completely to adapt and find good staff. The impact is poorly trained members. I have found more "I already know everything in my field" folks since the mid-1990s than before. I have to work hard to burst their balloon to get good results and get them to see they need to apply themselves better.?? Many good folks out there but convinced college has taught them everything or that their first job taught them everything.  I find myself fixing more design issues from designs that are faulty than in earlier years in the biz.  Once you shake their confidence, they respond. 
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