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  • 1.  ASCE Research into practical action - The Scholar-Practitioner

    Posted 08-03-2019 09:45 AM
    I'm a big believer that engineering is the perfect place for the "scholar-practitioner". Every week there seems to be an article in the chronicle of higher ed about how poor the tenure track market is or how PhD's don't prepare you for industry jobs. Those articles are not uplifting at all. But, I wonder if engineering is the outlier, perhaps having more PhD's in practice than other degrees may.

    The ASCE's Journal of Management in Engineering is particularly useful to me. I've also been testing some applications of The Good Judgment Project research for my CM's.

    I'm curious to hear from members on how they have used ASCE journal papers directly into their practice?

    What kinds of research articles (technical, case studies, theory based) are the most helpful as low hanging for industry use?


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    Jesse Kamm PhD, PMP, A.M.ASCE
    Senior Vice President of Construction Management
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  • 2.  RE: ASCE Research into practical action - The Scholar-Practitioner

    Posted 08-07-2019 04:16 PM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 08-07-2019 04:16 PM
    Interestingly no responses yet. I wonder how academic members may feel about the role their research plays into industry?

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    Jesse Kamm PhD, PMP, A.M.ASCE
    Senior Vice President of Construction Management
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  • 3.  RE: ASCE Research into practical action - The Scholar-Practitioner

    Posted 08-11-2019 09:12 PM
    Jesse, I agree with you that the best professors I ever had considerable practice experience. There is still an important role for pure research types, and I learned a lot about the scientific method of problem solving from them, as well as a lot of chemistry which I still use. I think a lot of big universities are starting to hire more practitioners today.  Engineers like my friends Glen Daigger at the Univ. of Michigan and David Cornwall at the Univ. of Florida, both of whom have well over 25 years of serious practice experience.

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    Bevin Beaudet P.E., M.ASCE
    President/Owner
    Bevin A. Beaudet, P.E., LLC.
    West Palm Beach FL
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  • 4.  RE: ASCE Research into practical action - The Scholar-Practitioner

    Posted 08-07-2019 05:10 PM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 08-07-2019 05:10 PM
    Jesse, I am afraid I do not agree in definitive terms that 'PhDs don't prepare you for industry jobs'. Most of the PhDs who enter directly into the academia following PhD and postdoc, are rarely in a position to bring in many practical issues that concern industry requirements. Therefore industry frustration accrues, and this is quite understandable.

    But those PhD faculties who are enriched with industry experience do bring in practical issues in teaching and research - and many find them very useful. These faculties also produce quality research papers of practical interests.

    We need PhDs - not lack of them - but also not in over supply. Because the quality of education, research and answering scientific challenges depend on them. It is only required that academia and industries make/find ways to best use their knowledge and expertise.


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    Dr. Dilip Barua, Ph.D, P.Eng, M. ASCE
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Website: https://widecanvas.weebly.com
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  • 5.  RE: ASCE Research into practical action - The Scholar-Practitioner

    Posted 08-07-2019 05:39 PM
    Hi Dilip,
    Thanks for the comment. I concur with your sentiments. I'm not at all advocating the "PhD's don't prepare you for industry jobs". The Chronicle of Higher ed did (see first linked article below). To the contrary I'm advocating for engineering to have active scholar-practitioners and am interested to hear from industry what kinds of research they find most applicable, Such as case-studies, technical notes, theory papers, etc and how they go about implementing it. If the notion that journal papers aren't widely read holds true (see second linked chronicle article below) then there exists a gap that we need to overcome. That is the aim of my post.

    I'm a PhD in industry that is constantly looking for ways to implement journal outputs into practice.  I review for a number of journals and am always on the look out for data to put towards research projects of interest. Time and Money are the major constraints particularly when we operate an in industry with less R&D dollars than other industries.


    https://www.chronicle.com/article/Odds-Are-Your-Doctorate-Will/246613
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    https://www.chronicle.com/article/Can-It-Really-Be-True-That/243564

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    Jesse Kamm PhD, PMP, A.M.ASCE
    Senior Vice President of Construction Management
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  • 6.  RE: ASCE Research into practical action - The Scholar-Practitioner

    Posted 08-08-2019 06:40 PM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 08-08-2019 06:40 PM

    Jesse, the two CHE articles – one on the readership of academic papers, and the other on the suggestions that PhDs are not well-prepared to work beyond academe – despite having some overtone of journalistic sensationalism, reflect the general trend. Long time ago, I have seen a NYT article lamenting something like, it is a shame that society is not fully utilizing the talents of PhDs. These and many others, including your initiative suggest once again that the issue is getting people's attention – well, attention yes, solution who knows.

    Earlier in my sentiment (Was it a sentiment?), I tried to say that a PhD faculty loaded with practical industrial experience is in a better position to bring in things interesting, as well as preparing his/her students better, both for academe and industry. 

    Here are my further takes on the topic:

    • Reading and writing are not some of the strengths of engineers. Engineers tend to care for codes and standards (to comply with regulations, to save themselves and because they are easy to do) more than for academic papers. And writing? Well, many are more keen on calculating numbers – than scholarly writings. Some of this has to do with project constraints associated with scope-cost-schedule. Most PhD engineers, by nature tend to be different than this generalization.    
    • PhDs working in the industry are a minority. Therefore there could be some indignation, but also some admiration from colleagues, affecting him/her. I have heard colleagues saying: oh, you have PhD! I have also seen clients canceling certain jobs, because the firm does not have suitable employees with advanced education (MS, PhD). Perhaps, it all depend on the nature and the type of firms and works – some specialist firms need to have people with advanced education, others who mostly cater to routine jobs – that are well-established in codes and standards have less dependence on such people.
    • Firms often assume that people with advanced degrees cannot do or are not supposed to do works other than his/her field of studies/specialization – leadership and management are some of the examples. In my judgment, this is a total misunderstanding and should not be entertained. With such assumptions, sometimes it becomes difficult to keep people of higher education in the payroll for long – the result is not what we want to see.
    • But there are also instances where some firms have developed some innovative ideas of partnership. I was once at Georgia Tech for a physical modeling experiment with the senior vice president of a prestigious firm (I am withholding his and the firm's name for privacy; he was a PhD himself, highly regarded both in academia and industry). He told me that he was managing a bunch of highly experienced MS and PhD colleagues – but was having difficulty in keeping them fully busy. He then partnered with government agencies and universities to provide services – on sort of a rental basis. The arrangement was beneficial both to his firm (because he can keep and sell their expertise) and to the partners (who are happy to have the expertise, but can do away with regular payroll, but only with short-term remunerations/fees).
    • The reason, for this example is that there are ways – only we need appreciation of advanced educations, and willingness to fully utilize something – something which the university, MS or PhD students have invested on – not only to benefit academe, and the industry,but also the society as a whole.          


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    Dr. Dilip Barua, Ph.D, P.Eng, M. ASCE
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Website: https://widecanvas.weebly.com
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  • 7.  RE: ASCE Research into practical action - The Scholar-Practitioner

    Posted 08-09-2019 10:19 AM
    Excellent thoughts. I appreciate the interaction on this subject as I enjoy seeing research put to action. Your comment about the Georgia Tech academia/industry partnership intrigues me. I'd love to hear more about it offline.

    From my perspective, I tend to see ASCE tables and standards as an example of research into action. On the construction management side, I see means and methods research, sustainability and resiliency issues in design, and safety as practical research that can be converted to action. I also appreciate management and behavioral research in dealing with leadership issues.



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    Jesse Kamm PhD, PMP, A.M.ASCE
    Senior Vice President of Construction Management
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  • 8.  RE: ASCE Research into practical action - The Scholar-Practitioner

    Posted 08-09-2019 07:42 PM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 08-12-2019 02:00 PM

    Jesse,

    This topic is of interest to me. After dropping out of Ph.D. program a number of years ago, I seem to find myself on the interface between academia and industry again.
    The two areas where I've seen most direct collaboration between research and practice are in public sector:

    • Development of regulations (e.g. EPA regulations for risk based human health and ecological assessment quote and rely on toxicologic research).
    • Collaborations between state or municipality engineering departments and universities (e.g. Philadelphia Water Department collaborates with at least three local universities, essentially serving as a client, and driving the direction of research on answering practical questions (e.g. better design of Green Stormwater infrastructure.
    Some more random thoughts:
    • Using ASCE or other research articles is often not a direct process: one may have to skim through a number of them to find a useful one, and an abstract is not always sufficient to make the decision. I found that most (at least smaller) companies don't have journal subscriptions. While asking for $35 for an article you know will help is trivial, asking for $350 to skim through ten article that may or may not help may be infeasible.
    • I think we need more research on whether the systems we design perform as designed. For example, a number of assumptions goes into hydrologic and hydraulic calculations. I've seen a number of articles testing performance against design. I am not sure if these results get back to the designers. Although they do influence codes and regulations that ultimately serve as the basis for designs.
    • Bodies such as ASCE, WEF etc,  may serve as bridges, bringing together questions from practitioners and answers from the researchers. I don't know enough about the mechanism of how this works in practice. 


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    Natalya Sokolovskaya P.E.,M.ASCE
    Wynnewood PA

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  • 9.  RE: ASCE Research into practical action - The Scholar-Practitioner

    Posted 08-10-2019 11:06 PM
    Jesse,

    The interaction between industry and academia is a topic for which I hear very little outside of universities, at least in the area of construction engineering and management. I recently graduated from my Ph.D. and this was a topic commonly discussed throughout my university and in academic circles. For example, in recent years I have noticed that studies and publications must have strong implications and contributions justifications in order to get funding and be published. However, in my industry experience, I seldom hear practicing professionals talking about an interesting new study or the findings of a report that we need to implement. As most of the contributors to this post have indicated, there is definitely a scholar-practitioner gap. 

    As Dilip states, Ph.Ds. in the industry are a minority, which causes two issues. First, as most of the Ph.D. training relates to research and teaching at the undergraduate level, those that decide to work in the industry may not have the skills to communicate and find common ground with industry practitioners. More specifically, to reach consensus on the needs, the plan of action, and the execution of innovations. Second, many practitioners have the wrong perspective about academics. This can be caused because of a bad experience with their professors at school, lack of interaction with academics, or simply a bad experience with one Ph.D. at work.

    I think that professional organizations such as ASCE may be the best integrators of minds to address this scholar-practitioner gap. In addition, I believe that conferences are also great opportunities to encourage this type of diverse interactions that benefit both academics and practicing professionals. 


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    Carlos Zuluaga Ph.D., EI, A.M.ASCE
    Ph.D. Student, Civil Engineering
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  • 10.  RE: ASCE Research into practical action - The Scholar-Practitioner

    Posted 08-22-2019 08:28 AM
    Natalya, Great thoughts here! It does seem that public policy research tends to get a lot direct implementation. You also bring up good points about access to the research and I have seen much debate and many articles on the idea of "open-access" journals. I fear the open-access argument trends against many vested interests. 

    Someone mentioned the value of basic vs. applied research and I'm certainly supportive of basic research but from the industry perspective, it's not low hanging fruit and can be seen as a cost burden. I love the trend of including a section at the end of research papers that point towards implementation as I have seen in many ASCE journals as of late.

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    Jesse Kamm PhD, PMP, A.M.ASCE
    Senior Vice President of Construction Management
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