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  • 1.  Rubber Tire Buildup

    Posted 03-28-2017 03:31 PM
    The need to remove rubber tire buildup on runway touchdown areas is a necessary evil. Would welcome some feedback as to how this is done. We've tried everything from steel-shot, sand and high pressure water blasting to "detergent" soaking and power-brushing. The blasting options work well, but can damage joints and remove surface materials (cement paste or asphalt binder and eventually aggregate - loss of grooves is a natural result). The 'detergent' soaking seems much more gentle, but we are concerned with environmental issues as all materials are simply washed into the grass infields. Occasionally we have to use one of the abrasive procedures simply to restore friction values after several 'detergent' soakings. 

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    Chaim Van Prooyen
    Project Manager
    Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport
    Atlanta GA

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  • 2.  RE: Rubber Tire Buildup

    Posted 03-29-2017 12:08 PM
    Looking forward to these responses.
    (Of course that's a problem. But ... except for the very attentive flying public and the airport maint folks - who knew?)



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    Chip Ossman
    Ossman Project Mngmnt Cons Inc
    Pasadena CA
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  • 3.  RE: Rubber Tire Buildup

    Posted 03-29-2017 12:51 PM
    I would think pavement profile equipment may be your best next step, these can be set up to match grooves so they do not cross cut or ridge cut the existing surface.

    A typical example is shown in the link below:
    http://www.diamondproducts.com/Products/SAWING/GRINDING---GROOVING/PC4500.aspx

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    Barry Anderson P.E., M.ASCE
    Granite Falls MN
    (320) 564-4500
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  • 4.  RE: Rubber Tire Buildup

    Posted 03-29-2017 12:52 PM
    Have you tried a mechanical sweeper (mobile street sweeper) with an abrasive brush. I don't know if they make steel tube brushes, but I have seen steel wafer and gutter brushes. This might give you the quick mechanical cleaning you need without the problems of environmental cleanup that goes along with chemicals and detergents. Just a thought.

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    Randall Rice PE, M.ASCE
    Golder Associates, Inc.
    Reno NV
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  • 5.  RE: Rubber Tire Buildup

    Posted 03-30-2017 11:43 AM
    The older version of this circular says to use high-pressure water blasting or biodegradable chemicals.
    https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/advisory_circular/150-5380-6B/150_5380_6b.pdf

    Funny that the newer version doesn't suggest how to remove them.

    I have no prior experience with this but, if abrasive measures are not suitable I would try either dissolving it (acetone?), or heating and absorbing it.  I would guess strict containment/absorption of liquid pollutants (acetone, liquid rubber?) would be required.  There are portable pavement heaters that are used to soften asphalt pavements that may be suitable but these only heat relatively small sections at a time - 5 ft x 8 ft or slightly larger.  And I doubt you'll be able to remove it all this way.  May be suitable for reducing thick deposits.  Maybe liquid nitrogen and scraping?  Labor intensive, but no contaminants whatsoever.  Asphalt may shrink and crack and release from the grooves and allow complete removal?

    I'd say a test section is definitely in order comparing methods.  May also be a good FAA-funded, grad student thesis project.

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    Gene Schwarzrock P.E., M.ASCE
    Owner/Principal Engineer
    Skylands Engineering, LLC
    Sparta NJ
    eschwarzrock@...
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  • 6.  RE: Rubber Tire Buildup

    Posted 03-30-2017 11:48 AM
    Are you familiar with this 2020 paper? ... http://www.airtech.tc.faa.gov/ATT2010/Pavements/Session4a/Watkins-Rubber%20Tire%20Buildup%20removal%20at%20ATL.pdf

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    Robert Peskin Ph.D., M.ASCE
    Senior Consulting Manager, Transportation
    AECOM
    Arlington VA
    (301) 986-9656
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  • 7.  RE: Rubber Tire Buildup

    Posted 03-30-2017 11:49 AM
    When I was in the USAF, we used Sicard Brooms which were no longer suitable for snow removal due to wear.  They were effective for rubber removal and restored friction factors in the touchdown areas.  I guess this comes under the category of power brushing. 

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    James Anderson P.E., M.ASCE
    Project Engineer
    North Richland Hills TX
    (817) 485-6408
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  • 8.  RE: Rubber Tire Buildup

    Posted 03-30-2017 01:00 PM
    I'm not at all part of this industry, but am fascinated by the engineering challenge. So, I asked a friend who works at a "smaller" municipal airport and am astounded to learn of what a pain in the patookus this is. I've connected her and Chaim so they can commiserate, but for the rest of us lurkers, here's some observations:

    Our Engineering, Maintenance, and Operations Departments have worked rather collaboratively on this issue, and yes it is a big one.  The FAA requires friction testing and data in order to determine when rubber must be removed.  So, there are two separate and distinct issues; the first being friction, and the second being clarity of markings.

     

    Based on friction testing results we have found that the values that prompt full rubber removal, particularly in touch down areas, is about each 3-5 months depending upon operations.  Our Airport currently utilizes 8,000 – 10,000 psi water blast removal.  Although there are options with chemicals, they are very expensive and can create an environmental hazard.  We found it not to be necessary.  Years ago the pressure utilized by the contractor was well above 20,000 psi.  This tends to remove the fines out of flexible pavements and decreases its life cycle.  By using 8,000 psi the operation is slower, yet effective in keeping friction values into the 80s and above.

     

    The sticking point comes with the clarity of markings for centerlines.  Rubber deposited on centerlines creates a buildup within just a few weeks that obscures runway centerlines.  Although there are multiple markings used for guidance, a Part 139 certificated airport can be cited for failing to keep these markings visible and clear.  The FAA also does not allow painting on top of paint that has rubber deposits.  We developed a schedule where the contractor will come out each five weeks and only do centerlines.  The effort is concentrated on the paint and not the surrounding pavement, and our Maintenance Department comes through the next night and refreshes the centerlines with paint.

     

    Personally, I would never entertain a shot-blast method of removal for two reasons.  First, it’s horribly damaging to the pavement and, secondly you are introducing FOD into the movement area environment.  That’s a huge no-no in our world.  We have found that flexible pavements require rehabilitation in a 10-12 year cycle.  The method we currently employ helps sustain the life cycle of that pavement.  We also have a policy where Operations can request specific areas of rubber removal outside of that cycle if deemed necessary.   I would also never introduce an asphalt binder into the environment, unless it was more of a fog coat that really stays on the surface and does not impact grooving.  The more you consider the grooves, the less effective the fog seal must be.

    Friction value testing in itself can be ambiguous.  We have found that the best way to use that tool is relative.  I’m trying to remember, but I think you can see values around 50-60 before it’s an issue.  I believe you should do regular testing and follow trends that show a decline.  Things change when the environment experiences rain as well.



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    Chip Ossman
    Ossman Project Mngmnt Cons Inc
    Pasadena CA
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  • 9.  RE: Rubber Tire Buildup

    Posted 03-30-2017 02:30 PM
    Not sure if you all had ever seen this.  I have no idea if it works or if its better than any other method (i.e. reduces surface scars).

    http://www.optimumdryiceblasting.co.uk/dry-ice-blasting-services/aerospace/

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    Jason Fuehne P.E., M.ASCE
    Burns & McDonnell
    Kansas City MO

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