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  • 1.  Sewer in House installation

    Posted 06-10-2020 10:47 AM
    Edited by Tino Bretschneider 06-11-2020 03:27 PM
    Hello, I look for a Illinois opinion for a small sewer Job design. 

    I have sufficient inclination to drain the basement into the public sewer, but every couple of years a small overflow, 1...2in above deepest point basement floor.
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    In Germany and Canada I would split the drain for upstairs and downstairs according to the pictures below.
    (This depends on the occupation ...., but for a private home with no mandatory bathrooms in the basement like shown below, without pump).
    In the particular case there is the issue, that there is no overhead space to offset the vertical stack as shown. So this needs to be done under the floor. But every Sewer line is tested with 10ft head, so the pressure should not be an issue for a new pipe (reality 2ft head for 30minutes...).

    This is from Winnipeg, same systematic:

    The 2 alternatives I get is:
    - place the whole house (all) behind a back-flow valve, with pump (10k) or without pump (3k)
    - build an overhead sewer around the house and pump all from the basement up

    I'm still convinced the opinion as sketched above is an appropriate solution: 
    - The house width is only 24ft. So we have 30ft trench under concrete in an unfinished basement 
    - would have no interference with the nice lanscaping
    - All Lines under the floor would be new and optional we could even pull in a new one from the basement to the street sewer
    - All old, dead connections from the already disconnected gutters would be taken care off, removed.
    - No Pumps (Energy consumption, depreciation, less to inspect (only the valve))
    - optional we could start to build a drain-tile system in the open trench (evenso there is no groundwater currently).
    - but, agreed, slight higher risk, because a failed valve has a higher failure consequence than a failed ejector pump

    I don't find anything in the Illinois or International Plumbing Code what would argue against the sketch. 


    Whoever has some experience. I like to hear.

    Thank you!

    Tino Bretschneider






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    Tino Bretschneider Ph.D., P.E., S.E., M.ASCE
    Senior Engineer
    Elmwood Park IL
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  • 2.  RE: Sewer in House installation

    Posted 06-11-2020 11:43 AM

    Hello,
    You are describing a situation that occurs nearby in Berwyn, IL.  Research Berwyn and the different methods that have been used to address this situation.  Also, look into whether or not the town you are working in will pay some of the cost for a backflow valve lime Berwyn did.

    Good luck,
    Michelle Calcagno
    S.M.ASCE



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    Michelle Calcagno S.M.ASCE
    Chicago IL
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  • 3.  RE: Sewer in House installation

    Posted 02-10-2022 01:21 PM
    Hello
    we did finally a modified overhear sewer (means it is running still under the basement floor). Lines under Floor were replaced to hold safely pressure now.
    Advantage is all upper floors still drain if power is out. Village covered some cost.

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    Tino Bretschneider Ph.D., P.E., S.E., M.ASCE
    Senior Engineer
    Elmwood Park IL
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