Thanks Chris for this reminder from the past.
Take the ethics provisions related to "Pay to play."
If you search for those engineers who came forward, identifying
public and private entities in the eventual lawsuit, we learn two things:
- The public entity and private firm rep get little to no consequences, and,
- The individual who identified the ethical breach was never again hired.
As one engineer/owner years ago stated, "What's the big deal? All the big firms do it!"
Perhaps the lessons herein amount to manage, lead, and control what you have
accountability for.
Cheers,
Bill
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William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
Buffalo, N.Y.
"It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-18-2024 10:03 AM
From: Christopher Seigel
Subject: System of a Downfall: The Role of Ethics in Engineering
Thanks for your thoughts. I can appreciate the way you are thinking about this in terms of either punishment and reward.
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Christopher Seigel P.E., M.ASCE
Civil Engineer
Original Message:
Sent: 10-17-2024 08:59 AM
From: Donovan Morrell
Subject: System of a Downfall: The Role of Ethics in Engineering
Given that Ethics is a branch of philosophy it is nearly impossible to force people to behave "ethically." Laws are a good deterrent for some people, but others maybe not. That brings us to the two type of motivation, punishment and reward. What type of rewards can we possibly provide that can outweigh financial gain? How can we further exercise punishment?
I believe the FBPE Disciplinary Actions Filings are effective deterrents to unethical behavior, publishing and distributing more of those rather than award winning projects could incentivize the industry to behave ethically.
As far as rewards go, I'm not sure... Money makes the world go round.
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Donovan Morrell A.M.ASCE
Daytona Beach FL
Original Message:
Sent: 10-10-2024 12:47 PM
From: Christopher Seigel
Subject: System of a Downfall: The Role of Ethics in Engineering
I recently finished reading Down with the System, written by Serj Tankian, lead vocalist of System of a Down.
This might seem like an odd place to draw inspiration for a discussion on engineering, but in Chapter 13 Tankian recounts the major struggles faced by Armenia during the devastation caused by the 1988 Spitak earthquake. This disaster revealed deep-rooted flaws in the country's infrastructure.
Much of the failure in infrastructure was attributed to corruption and negligence in both construction and design. Tankian explains how some technical professionals, including engineers, had paid bribes to receive their certifications, which in turn contributed to substandard construction practices.
This brings me to the question: What can we do to continue to incentivize the industry to behave ethically? Alternately, are there existing practices that you believe effectively facilitate this?
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Christopher Seigel P.E., M.ASCE
Civil Engineer
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