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  • 1.  Surfside, Florida Condo Collapse

    Posted 07-19-2021 05:05 PM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 07-19-2021 05:05 PM

    As the condo collapse aftermath in Surfside, Florida continues to unfold, it could become another ethics 'morality tale' regarding how the reports of long-term degradation were handled all the way back in 2018. This brings up a few questions:

     - How do you assess the veracity / credibility of what you read?

    Alexander Granato A.M.ASCE
    Bexley OH

  • 2.  RE: Surfside, Florida Condo Collapse

    Posted 07-21-2021 08:27 PM
    Hi Alexander.
    Thanks for reaching out and questioning.

    My response follows.

    What might we learn by a study of the analyses of past horrific failures of

    engineered facilities, i.e., bridges, buildings, tunnels, etc.?

    Consider at least two viewing perspectives to study:

    1. A Forensic Engineering Perspective: Why, where, when, and how the engineered facility actually failed at the time of failure?
    2. A Forensic Management Perspective: Working backwards in time from the actual failure, what did we learn about the individual and collective behaviors of involved people, processes, technology, and leadership, or the lack thereof that preceded the actual failure?

    A few sources of references to review on these subjects:

    1. Go to the ASCE on-line journals @ https://ascelibrary.org/
    2. Consider searching "Google Scholar" for additional reports on this subject and its related components. https://scholar.google.com/
    3. Human Systems Engineering™- "A Trilogy, Part II: May The Force Be With You: Anatomy Of Project Failures."[1] William M. Hayden Jr., P.E., F.ASCE, Sr.M.ASQ

                                      "Knowing and not doing is just as good as not knowing."

     Stay Healthy!



    [1] https://ascelibrary.org/doi/full/10.1061/%28ASCE%291532-6748%282006%296%3A1%281%29

    William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
    Buffalo, N.Y.

    "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880

  • 3.  RE: Surfside, Florida Condo Collapse

    Posted 07-22-2021 09:26 AM
    As to credibility of information, I look at the reputation of source as a key factor. Facts are obviously best. When information doesn't add up or appears to be spurious I try and triangulated to confirm or find additional perspective. But at the end of the day, I try to be circumspect on what I do with the information. Specific to the condo collapse there have been a number of facts that have come to light. The challenge is assessing their relative importance and how the pieces fit together. I think the opportunity in this type of forum at this stage of the investigation is to start thinking about the bigger issues, including patterns and  trends, that could have strategic influence on the built environment and its integrity and reliability.

    Mitch Winkler P.E., M.ASCE
    Houston, TX

  • 4.  RE: Surfside, Florida Condo Collapse

    Posted 08-06-2021 05:18 PM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 08-06-2021 05:17 PM
    As the social media got underway, any post from it is not worth believing in the first place and I'd rather watch the news about it. And when it comes to some gossip articles this is not trusted in the first place too, you can perceive this as being bias, an intriguing story, and have claims compare to the news about it which is more credible. But sometimes news is not also credible too. It seems with the emergence of our technologies, and many mediums to spread information makes it more risky for us to trust it. We have to think critically and observe diligently. So that we can avoid different scams, and have chance to look over it. Information schemes lead its way to persuade and put people at risk like coaching scams, networking, Ponzi scheme, etc. We have to exercise our critical and analytical thinking. Meaning you cannot accept it easily, it requires more questioning their testimonies, like you're not hearing one sided argument, then rely more in eBooks/books that is reviewed and revised in multiples times by the experts, discover information by yourself by asking/ listening to professionals that you know personally, or checked recommendations and previous studies if its a documented research, if the article is supported by a legit association, and organization, if the facts is confirmed by other related books. In addition, the more you asked a question and discover it's unanswerable the more you know if they are saying a fact or a gaps to the truth. Also you can help by not reposting it and sharing it if there's not enough accurate evidence which can mislead and create worries to the audience.

    Llala Chrishaye Ocampo S.M.ASCE
    City of General Trias Cavite