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  • 1.  How Much Does GPA Matter?

    Posted 09-04-2018 09:57 AM
    Edited by Alfred Patrick 09-04-2018 03:47 PM
    Hi fellows,
    I want to have High GPA in my studies. what can I do to achieve a better GPA in my third and fourth years of studies?
    And how Much does GPA Matter in Employment Market?

     Thank you!

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  • 2.  RE: How Much Does GPA Matter?

    Posted 09-04-2018 11:56 AM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 09-04-2018 11:56 AM
    The good news here is you have time to boost your GPA!  GPA matters to some employers.  Some employers will specifically ask for it in their application.  Do not provide it on your resume.  If you are asked about it during an interview, you need to provide an honest answer regardless if you choose to give them the number or not.  It is just a number.  You may have other qualities that the employer sees in you that they like.

    How to boost your GPA?  No shortcut for hard work.  Ask questions, reach out to experts you find here.  Find a tutor or mentor.  Be resourceful.  If you don't know the answer find a source that does.  If you are not a good test taker, ask the university or professors to make accommodations for you if you need them.

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    Chad Morrison P.E., M.ASCE
    Professional Engineer
    Greenville RI
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  • 3.  RE: How Much Does GPA Matter?

    Posted 09-05-2018 12:00 PM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 09-05-2018 12:00 PM
    ​Alfred,
    GPA only matters in your initial employment after school, if at all. Once you have a work record, that is what employers focus on. In light of this, I would suggest looking at intern possibilities as the practical experience on a resume may be more important to potential employers even right out of college.

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    Ron Zagrocki P.E., M.ASCE
    Engineer
    Aliquippa PA
    (717)580-5736
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  • 4.  RE: How Much Does GPA Matter?

    Posted 09-05-2018 12:13 PM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 09-05-2018 12:13 PM
    GPA matters to some employers.  Does it matter to the student?  It may actually represent one's grasp of the body of knowledge or it may mean that person is good at studying and test taking but is totally lost in applying the knowledge.  It is most important you actually understand the material and how to apply it.

    Not sure of the course of study in Tanzania, but if you are taking mostly general math, science and other basic courses the first two years and then a more engineering class based study the later years, you may find you do better in your specific area of engineering study.  If so, you can always split the course work and grades and generate a GPA for your engineering classes vs. basic math, science and elective classes. Then you can have both your overall GPA and engineering major GPA available to provide when asked.  There was a large difference between those in my personal case and having both available helped.  Sometimes it takes a year or two to settle in and learn how to learn. 

    Just remember, basic math is at work here. You can't raise it above the grades you earn in each class!  If you earn 3.2 from here out, it will approach that level but never exceed it.  You need to achieve highly to raise it significantly.  Unfortunately, the first year or two are important in your ultimate grade point.  Best efforts to you!

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    Bradley Novacek P.E., M.ASCE
    CIP Manager
    Phoenix AZ
    (602)9561477
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  • 5.  RE: How Much Does GPA Matter?

    Posted 09-06-2018 05:32 PM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 09-06-2018 05:32 PM
    I think Stefanie got it correct.  GPA matters in the lack of applicable experience.  Getting applicable experience will help much more at helping you get a job when you are done than your specific GPA.  It's hard to graduate from engineering and be totally unemployable.  But, you need to graduate.

    When I review a candidate, what they have done "off the field or outside the classroom" is weighed as heavily as GPA or "in the class activities."  This ties in with the curriculum discussion going on in another discussion stream. I am looking for an employee that is disciplined, is flexible, can manage time, learn new things, and ask questions when over their head.  So a candidate with a 3.95 GPA (out of 4.0)  that has never had a summer job, never volunteered for anything, does not participate in their social or career societies will always rank lower to me than a 3.0 who worked every summer, participated in student societies, or better yet volunteers as an officer, volunteers at a dog rescue, boy scout troop, or habitat for humanity project regularly, is a practicing black belt in judo, or maybe works during the school year, or has directly relevant experience.  I am always looking for someone that can multitask, not take tests and do math problems.

    GPA matters, but life experiences matter more.  I guess Stefanie would have never interviewed me for an internship position because I never achieved more than one or two A's per semester. I did play basketball, soccer, broomball, participated in boy scouts, worked for 4 months every 4 months in the CO-OP program, and came out of school debt free. I am glad those employers that hired me looked at the whole person, and the previous experiences instead of just GPA.  The experiences that they provided me continue to provide me with benefits 30 years later.

    So how can you get relevant experience.  Here are some ideas:
    1. Go to work for a construction company in the summer during non-school times.  Learning how to turn a backhoe will go a long way in teaching you how to design a detention pond or utility system.
    2. Volunteer or intern at an engineering company, surveyor or planning company during the non-school year, or even during the school year.  
    3. Volunteer for habitat for humanity, engineers without borders, engineer's in action.  You will meet employed engineers that can help you get your foot in the door at a future paid position.
    4. Become active in your civil or environmental engineering society at school, and be an officer. 
    5. Participate in your school's experience opportunities.
    6. Work as a research assistant.
    7. Always be actively managing your next employment encounter by taking advantage of appropriate social activities with Alumni and other potential employers.

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    Dwayne Culp, Ph.D., P.E., P.Eng, M.ASCE
    Culp Engineering, LLC
    Rosenberg TX
    (713)898-1977
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  • 6.  RE: How Much Does GPA Matter?

    Posted 09-05-2018 11:37 AM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 09-05-2018 11:37 AM
    Hi all,

    As a structural engineer who has participated in the hiring process, a 3.2/4 is about the lowest GPA I would consider on the "first cut" for interns without significant work experience and great references. Sometimes interns struggle with all the general requirements during the first years of college (prior to getting into major classes), so we understand that when they interview.

    When looking for full-time, 3.5/4 is preferred, but relevant internships with references become much more important. If there are two candidates both a 3.5 or above, their internship experiences, references, and interview will make the decision. A 3.9 candidate is not going to beat out a 3.5 candidate if the 3.5 candidate has <g class="gr_ gr_12091 gr-alert gr_gramm gr_inline_cards gr_run_anim Grammar only-ins doubleReplace replaceWithoutSep" id="12091" data-gr-id="12091">better</g> experience, references, and interviews well.

    I should also note that in my area of the country, college students and recent grads normally include their GPA on the resume. If there is no GPA I would consider that resume suspect and put it to the bottom of the pile, especially if I have a number of other qualified candidates that do include their GPA's. If you are struggling with a low overall GPA but you are certain civil engineering is for you, consider if you can isolate your "major" GPA (i.e. only CE courses if your major is civil engineering), and list that "major GPA" separately on your resume from your overall GPA, as I have seen numerous students do. If I saw a resume with a 3.0 overall GPA but a 3.8 major GPA, I'd just assume the person drew some bad professors or had personal issues early on before they hit their major courses and would not hold that against them. 

    These are my experiences and I certainly invite my colleagues to respond - especially those that also hire new college grads - if you have different experiences.

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    Stephanie Slocum P.E., M.ASCE
    Founder
    Engineers Rising LLC
    State College PA

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  • 7.  RE: How Much Does GPA Matter?

    Posted 09-05-2018 12:02 PM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 09-05-2018 12:02 PM
    Don't worry about you GPA.  Worry about learning.  If you concentrate on learning your GPA will be fine -- may not be fantastic, but it will be fine. Once you have your first job, nobody will ask you what your GPA was.  They will only want to know what talents you have and how well you work.

    One exception is the top rate graduate schools.  They won't even look at your application if you don't have a very high GPA.  Still this is nothing to really worry about.  There are plenty of very good graduate programs where you can get accepted with a decent, or even a poor GPA.  As an example, I have a former student who graduated with a GPA of 2.02 during the great recession.  He had a really hard time finding a job initially due to the recession and, mostly, because he had never developed strong work habits (evidenced by the really poor GPA).  He finally moved to an area of the country with a booming economy.  The company that hired him didn't care about his GPA.  They just wanted to know if he had his EIT and when he could show up.  He was highly motivated, moved, and developed really good work skills.  He has since earned his PE, entered a master program at a good regional university and is top of his graduate class--"the best student in class" according to the graduate advisor.

    So worry about learning and you work habits.  All else will fall into place.

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    William Kitch P.E., M.ASCE
    Angelo State University
    San Angelo TX
    (325)486-5501
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  • 8.  RE: How Much Does GPA Matter?

    Posted 09-06-2018 10:38 AM
    Edited by Tirza Austin 09-06-2018 10:37 AM
    It is a good question, and one that deserves attention!  I agree with most of the comments thus far; past your first job post-graduation, the importance of GPA diminishes pretty rapidly.  I note that some responses here recommend to 'split' your GPA into your "major" and "outside" your major; one variation of that which I have seen fairly commonly is to report the overall, but also the GPA in the last 60 credit hours of coursework (in the U.S. most civil engineering undergraduate programs are between 120-130 credit hours, so the 'last 60' hours typically reflect your Junior/Senior level engineering courses - plus, it can also show the improvement you might make between the 'early' years of school versus the later years).

    Improving your GPA in your last 2-3 years at the undergraduate level:  (1) Put in the hard work - do all the problems you can, even if only a subset are 'required' (in other words, go beyond the bare minimum). (2) Go to class (the research is very clear - there is a strong correlation between class attendance and achievement). (3) Take full advantage of any "supplemental instruction" opportunities (even if they are "optional") -- drill sessions, study groups, a special invited lecturer, etc. (4) Learn the concepts and principles - not just 'how to solve' a particular problem you are given.

    I will also echo the comment regarding graduate school.  At many schools, acceptance into a graduate degree program is a two-step process: you have to be admitted to the institution's "Graduate School", and then into a specific degree program (e.g. civil engineering).  In most cases, admittance into the Graduate School carries a GPA requirement; if the GPA is low, a specific program can request a waiver - but the applicant would have to show promise/potential in some additional way.  Also, note that many graduate schools in the U.S. require standardized test scores, i.e. the Graduate Record Exam (GRE) for admittance; if an applicant's GPA is borderline, a relatively high score on the GRE might lessen the impact of the GPA.

    Finally, I will echo/emphasize the preparation of your 'total package' -- the combination of GPA, GRE (or other) score(s), work history, extra-curricular activities (particularly related to your discipline), leadership experiences, etc.  Make no mistake - coming out of school, the GPA is important.  However, I would strongly encourage you to look for out-of-classroom experiences (if available) such as study abroad, service learning (where you do a real-life project), undergraduate research with a faculty member, participation and leadership in professional organizations, etc.

    Best of luck!!!

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    Kevin Hall Ph.D., P.E., M.ASCE
    Professor
    Univ Of Arkansas
    Fayetteville AR
    (479) 575-8695
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