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  • 1.  Engineering connection

    Posted 11-04-2024 01:49 PM
    I suggest at least two 8 week internships be required for engineering students.  They should be during the junior year.  Learning can then be more focused toward the students areas of interest.  


  • 2.  RE: Engineering connection

    Posted 11-05-2024 11:07 AM

    I think we can all agree that real world experience is definitely a benefit for students. I personally think it would be difficult to cram two 8 week internships into junior year, given that the average semester is about 16 weeks long.

    Presently, it seems like its possible to get about 8-10 weeks of experience via a summer internship. Most students seem to get these after sophomore or junior year, which leaves less time to tailor ones schedule to different classwork after each experience. 

    However, there are certain schools that operate on quarter schedules each year, leaving one quarter open each year for an internship. The trade-off here is that earning a bachelors can sometimes take an additional year. Some of these schools even used to charge the students tuition during the quarter that they were working. 

    Earning experience is a good thing, but figuring out how to best incorporate it into an already busy academic journey is an art. 



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    Christopher Seigel P.E., M.ASCE
    Civil Engineer
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  • 3.  RE: Engineering connection

    Posted 11-05-2024 12:11 PM

    My school did a co-op program, which was a 5 year program combining a bachelors & 2 semesters of internships. It was a great idea in theory... in practice it made it impossible for civil engineering students to graduate in the intended 5 years because the school refused to be flexible on when the internships were fit into the schedule and many of our classes were tied together by prerequisites & only offered during certain semesters. This was pretty silly on my schools part and something that they eventually resolved, but not before I dropped into the regular 4 year program & did summer internships instead. I definitely agree that having some experience is ideal for students, but I think I'd rather see educational institutions do more to facilitate and encourage that for students.



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    Renn Henry, PE
    Staff Engineer
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  • 4.  RE: Engineering connection

    Posted 11-07-2024 10:11 AM

    Thanks David!

    Q. What and how might be done by ASCE, ASME, IEEE, etc., and ASEE to bring engineering education

    into a comprehensive framework that makes projects consistently meet their requirements?

    Engineering knowledge is necessary but not sufficient to assure project success.

    • First, consider those in need of such:

    a. Those still in university.

    b. Workplace to age 30.

    c. Workplace 30 to 50.

    d. Workplace above 50.

    "What was, was.

    What is, is.

    What will be, will be!"

    --Arnold Horshack, on "Welcome Back, Kotter."

    Cheers, Bill



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    William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
    Buffalo, N.Y.

    "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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  • 5.  RE: Engineering connection

    Posted 11-07-2024 01:40 PM
    I have been reading the inovative university by Clayton M. Christensen.  There are some great ideas in that book. 

    I believe that universities need a greater focus on teaching.  Many graduates are not able to write adequately, reason clearly and use critical thinking to solve problems and manage projects.   An emphasis on team work and focus on adding value to employers would increase the students chances of success. 

    How we use online learning can also help or hurt graduates and practicing engineers. 

    There are costs associated with Carnegie ladder climbing that may not be helping practicing Engineers.  

    Many professional organizations are trying to fill the gap with certifications and education programs. Universities should be working more closely with them to better prepare our graduates for work as consultants and designers. 

    Just a few ideas to think about. 

    David Schiess





  • 6.  RE: Engineering connection

    Posted 11-11-2024 01:24 PM

    None of us do engineering on our own.  On our best teams, we should respect and use the professional and life input of the whole range of experience, from budding engineers (students) to senior "statesmen."  Firms should not just take on student interns, who often end up doing copying and data entry tasks because their time is cheap – a good way to learn that our business systems keep staff "in their place' on the ladder, and discouraging for following an engineering career path. Project teams in our companies also need all levels of "years of experience" to do the best designs – we all develop different expertise and some will be best at problem definition, listening to clients and stakeholders as well as producing project "results" and reports.

    We need to "budget hours" for all of us to go back into the universities to work with students and researchers on projects, maybe as a subtask of client work that's ongoing. We could easily do more for their education that way and might just learn something that can make our engineering better.



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    Sarah Simon P.E., ENV SP, M.ASCE
    Founding Partner
    Ipswich MA
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