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  • 1.  Champlain Towers South aka Surfside Condo Collapse: Are We Losing the Plot

    Posted 06-24-2025 09:46 PM

    It's hard to believe that four years have passed since this tragedy.

    Not to be dismissive of those investigating the collapses, but I worry that the length of this investigation is becoming counterproductive in terms of improving the design-build-maintain process. The Implications for the Future from the ongoing study feel to me like recommendations for immediate action.

    Who else has kept up with this, and what are your thoughts?

    https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2025/06/nist-releases-extensive-video-update-champlain-towers-south-investigation

    From the link:

    Implications for the Future

    "Two clear questions coming out of this investigation are why the design and construction problems were not discovered when Champlain Towers South was built, and how do we evaluate the structural safety of existing buildings?" said Bell.

    While the video presentation does not offer recommendations for changes to codes or practice, it does highlight some areas that industry experts could consider. These include how special inspections that are mandated for safety might impact construction quality control by giving builders a false sense of security that someone else will catch their errors later.

    Mitrani-Reiser also shares that the investigation found no records from the original construction of the building, and few from its early life, and notes the importance of records retention going beyond initial drawings to include "quality assurance records and, particularly, peer review reports where they exist."

    Finally, Mitrani-Reiser calls on the engineering and construction professions to take seriously the apparent lack of quality control and quality assurance found in the case of Champlain Towers South. She noted that, "this tragic event has revealed flaws in our systems, and quality is at the heart of it."



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    Mitch Winkler P.E.(inactive), M.ASCE
    Houston, TX
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  • 2.  RE: Champlain Towers South aka Surfside Condo Collapse: Are We Losing the Plot

    Posted 06-30-2025 12:27 PM

    The absence of construction records is surprising. What records retention does the state of Florida require?

    We often bemoan "excessive government regulation" but, given the pressures of cost, either government or insurance companies will need to enforce the recommendations of the NIST investigation if we are to avoid repeat disasters. Caveat emptor doesn't work for individual buyers of complex, expensive structures.



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    William McAnally Ph.D., P.E., BC.CE, BC.NE, F.ASCE
    ENGINEER
    Columbus MS
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  • 3.  RE: Champlain Towers South aka Surfside Condo Collapse: Are We Losing the Plot

    Posted 07-09-2025 10:41 PM

    Thank you for starting the thread and the link to the video, Mitch.  It is very interesting to see an update on the potential causes of the failure. 

    To say I am disappointed in the apparent performance of some of the people who are practicing structural engineering is an understatement.  I have always felt structural engineering is more of a "calling" than just a way to earn a living.  The general public (at least most of the time, including yours truly) thinks nothing of walking into or living in a multi-story building, taking for granted the people responsible for making sure the building continues to stand were conscientious, knew what they were doing and accepted the responsibility.  The video outlined what would be a comedy of errors if the results were not so tragic.  Numerous failures of the designers to follow the design code at the time of the work (resulting in under strength), numerous failures of the construction contractor to correctly position and embed reinforcing steel, failures of the construction contractor to properly build construction joints, and failures after the building was completed and occupied to maintain the structure (although this appears to be less of a contributing factor).  All of us engineers should all be alarmed at this failure.  What a black eye for our profession!



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    Stacey Morris P.E., M.ASCE
    ETI Corporation
    West Memphis AR
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