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How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

  • 1.  How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

    Posted 01-08-2021 09:17 AM
    ​Hi,

    How does a PMP certification support the professional career of Civil-Structural engineer in the technical field? Your valuable thoughts are invited considering vast experience of the industry. This discussion will also help to explore the PMP opportunity.

    Regards.

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    Munish Dhawan M.ASCE
    Lead Civil Structural Engineer
    Fluor Daniel India Private Limited
    Gurgram
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  • 2.  RE: How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

    Posted 01-11-2021 08:55 AM
    I support PMI and the PMP certification that they developed and have promoted.  As an ASCE Fellow and Life Member, I was also a member of PMI earlier in my career. In fact, I was VP of Education for my local PMI chapter and, in that role, was in charge of administering the PMP exam locally. It is a relevant and valuable certification for civil engineers, especially civil engineers interested in project management. PMI Members have a broad range of disparate backgrounds and interests including information technology and bringing new drugs to market.  However, many of these, including some of the engineering disciplines, do not have accepted certifications like the P.E. I found that this provided non-civil-engineer PMI members with additional incentive to pursue the PMP.

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    Howard Thomas P.E., P.Eng, F.ASCE
    Geotechnical Lead
    Jacobs
    Nibe
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  • 3.  RE: How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

    Posted 01-11-2021 08:55 AM
    Hello

    PMI has already changed the PMBOK on its 7th Edition where AGILE now is more present at management processes and that`s came into a demand from a world with more and more "uncertain" scenarios, like the situation we living today. As a civil engineer or a structural engineer working as a " specialized oppinion " in projects i see now it becoming  a " squad member" despite civil construction be known as a "preditive" management process, however tailloring is always a key to better aply PMI best practices.

    that`s my humble oppinion

    best regards

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    Fabricio Calil
    PMI-Volunteer
    CEO-Infra-X
    São Paulo-Brazil
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    Fabricio Calil R.Eng,S.M.ASCE
    Centro Universitário Senac (SENACSP)
    São Paulo
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  • 4.  RE: How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

    Posted 01-11-2021 10:52 AM
    I have always thought it beneficial to built-environment projects to have engineers managing them. The PMI certifications are helpful in solidifying the practice of project management as a profession rather than a role in the minds of PMs, as well as widening their skill set. The construction industry, therefore, can benefit from not only having engineers managing projects but having them trained and up to date in PM best practices.

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    Richard McGrath A.M.ASCE
    Structural Engineer
    Airdrie AB
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  • 5.  RE: How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

    Posted 01-15-2021 05:07 PM

    Reflections For Munish & Fabricio to Consider:

    * Munish
    1 of 2: When searching the "Job Ads" for various engineering work a few years ago, many would state in their ad "PMP Preferred."
    These days, most all such ads for project managers and certain engineering work state "PMP Required."
    2 of 2: The very discipline required to successfully pass the PMP exam exposes you to new ways of thinking about familiar project practices.


    * Fabricio:
    Fabricio, placing the word predictive in front of an expression means you have data that supports your argument that a specific management process outcome can be predicted. Absent such data, one might say "Anticipated Management Process."
    I do like your use of "Tailoring" to plan, design, and apply the results of your own application of so-called PMI best practices. To be clear, PMI-Best Practices are not to be considered as "Constants." The only constant in project work is change!
    Stay Healthy!
    Cheers,
    Bill



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    William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
    Buffalo, N.Y.

    "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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  • 6.  RE: How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

    Posted 01-15-2021 07:50 PM
    Thanks a lot William

    I`ll remain my studies and certanly consider your points on it

    God Bless and stay Healthy as well


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    Fabricio Calil R.Eng,S.M.ASCE
    Centro Universitário Senac (SENACSP)
    Indaiatuba
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  • 7.  RE: How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

    Posted 01-18-2021 08:52 AM
    Thanks to all for your valuable thoughts, advise and suggestions. This will certainly help.

    Thanks again.

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    Munish Dhawan M.ASCE
    Lead Civil Structural Engineer
    Fluor Daniel India Private Limited
    Gurgram
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  • 8.  RE: How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

    Posted 01-18-2021 04:11 PM
    To answer the original question, "How does a PMP certification support the professional career of Civil-Structural engineer in the technical field?", it doesn't at all if your intent is to stay in a technical rather than management career path.  If you do intend to become or continue as a project manager AND you work for an A/E consulting firm, then the PMP certification is at least beneficial and may be required in some cases.  I am in the water sector, but that was my experience when working in consulting.  Now that I am employed by a utility that does not have a project management culture, my PMP is almost worthless and the continuing education can be hard to come by.  

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    Jeanne L. Finger, PE, PMP, M. ASCE
    Spokane, WA
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  • 9.  RE: How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

    Posted 01-20-2021 10:19 AM
    I echo much of what has been already said. I've had my PMP for quite awhile and work in construction design/build management. I find the PMP training far more beneficial than the certification. In construction and engineering the PMP isn't recognized as widely as it is in the IT fields. But it does change your thinking as a manager. It has very little to do with technical issues as you likely come into it with that skill and knowledge but it reframes one's thinking toward the project as a direct deliverable and makes it more streamlined and systematized. I found the PMP to be a milestone in my career even if no one ever acknowledges it's worth.

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    Jesse Kamm PhD, PMP, A.M.ASCE
    Senior Vice President of Construction Management
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  • 10.  RE: How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

    Posted 01-21-2021 05:56 PM

    Hi Jeanne,

    Thanks for your opinion.

    Given the efforts and knowledge you gained becoming certified and keeping it current,

    consider how you might adapt elements of it to the work within your org.

    i.e., Process Mgmt., Quality Mgmt., Risk Mgmt., etc.

    Adapting such work to the particulars of your work will add value to your customers as well as your colleagues and yourself.

    And perhaps once your mgmt sees the results, they will see the wisdom in supporting your PMP.

    "Engineering knowledge is necessary, but not sufficient to assure each project is delighted by your customer."

                                                                                                                                                      -w. m. hayden jr.
    Stay Healthy!

    Cheers,

    Bill



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    William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
    Buffalo, N.Y.

    "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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  • 11.  RE: How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

    Posted 01-18-2021 04:12 PM
    PMP seems to be more aimed at the software and tech industries, but can be adapted to construction.
    I would say to also look into a Lean Manufacturing class (from Lean/Six Sigma).  It's all about how to minimize waste by: not ordering too much, decreasing bench stock, minimizing downtime for maintenance, physical placement of things to minimize movement across a job site, etc.  It all adds up to a smoother process.

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    Gregory Gunther P.E.,M.ASCE
    Unemployed
    Fort Collins CO
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  • 12.  RE: How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

    Posted 01-21-2021 05:55 PM
    Hi Greg and Jesse,
    Thanks for your perspectives.

    Please consider thinking about my response to Ms. Finger above.
    Stay Healthy!
    Cheers,
    Bill

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    William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
    Buffalo, N.Y.

    "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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  • 13.  RE: How PMP will support the Professional Career of Civil Engineers

    Posted 01-18-2021 04:47 PM
    I got my PMI-PMP certification last year and i can assure you that it was my single greatest achievement last year. Prior to that i have been practicing project management for over 25 years without any recognizable certification until last year. I am currently a member of the central Indiana chapter and the director for their academic outreach programs.
    The PMI-PMP certification opens you up to a new world of project management all together, You will benefit via networking with your peers via the professional network platform of www.projectmanagement.com. You have the opportunity to attend lots of webinars on topical project management issues via the seminarsworld virtual at a discounted rate.

    Lastly the project management principles you learn prior to taking the PMI-PMP certification exam helps you to better plan and implement your civil/structural engineering feasibility, design and supervision work with greater efficiency.

    I will therefore encourage you to go for it. It will help a lot.

    Bernard Nartey PE M.ASCE, PMP
    Indiana
    317 629 3820

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    Bernard Nartey P.E.,M.ASCE
    Project Manager
    Brownsburg IN
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