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Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

  • 1.  Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-10-2017 04:26 PM
    In the case of a concrete cantilever wall, I have seen details of the hooked bars from the vertical wall reinforcement turned inward and also outward (see attached images). Documents on CRSI's website claim that turning the hooked bars outward do not develop the total moment in the wall, but highway standards and even ACI details show the hooked bars turned outward.
    Could anyone offer their opinion or experience on which is the correct way to detail this connection?
    Thanks

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    John Carlyle EIT, S.M.ASCE
    Structural Design Engineer
    Baltimore MD
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  • 2.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-11-2017 09:44 AM
    Google "Detailing Corner". The September 2009 and June 2010 article of concrete international address this topic with some testing results.  It's not exactly your question, but it's a start.

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    James Winters P.E., M.ASCE
    Kimley Horn and Associates
    St Paul MN
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  • 3.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-11-2017 09:44 AM

    In my experience, nearly all engineers including myself point the toe of the bars away from each other - not following the CRSI recommendation. It is the traditional method and one would expect that if it was inadequate, the literature would be filled with failures due to this method of placing reinforcement, but I have never come across such a situation either first hand or documented in a report. It is not out of the question that such reports exist and they have not come to my attention. More to the point, if the toe pointing away method does not sufficiently develop reinforcement, then it impugns the development length formula in ACI 318. Either you have enough embedment to develop a bar or you don't!

    My suggestion is that until ACI committee 318 specifically amends the embedment length requirements for this situation, bar toes pointing away from each other remains a valid way to detail retaining walls.



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    Robert Busch P.E., M.ASCE
    Principal
    Leonard Busch Assocs
    Ewing, NJ
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  • 4.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-15-2017 09:36 AM
    It is a controversial subject. Common practice in my country (Greece) is to bend the rebars inwards (detail 1). But I have to say that the codes in effect (Eurocodes, EN-1992) do not give specific rules or details about this case. Therefore as long as the embedment length requirements are satisfied any of these details can be used. However in the literature there are suggestions that at least the tension reinforcement should be bent inwards. In the 3rd volume of F. LEONHARDT- E. MONNING red books series (Original title 'Grundlagen zum Bewehren im Stahlbetonbau') you can find the reasoning behind these suggestions. Finally I would use detail 1.

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    Dikaios Psarogiannis A.M.ASCE
    Consulting Engineer
    OMETE SA
    Holargos
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  • 5.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-11-2017 09:44 AM
    John,

    For the image you attached, I would be concerned about developing the proper moment capacity with the bars turned either way if the drawing is to scale.  Make sure you consider ACI 2014 25.4.3.1, Development of standard hooks in tension.  If you don't have your hook embedded into the flange of your T at least l-dh, you won't develop the full tensile strength of the bar (always a good idea for ductility's sake) regardless of hook orientation. 

    The only thing I can think of for the CRSI documents you mentioned (a more specific reference may help), would be if in turning them in you overlap and partially counteract the opposing tension and compression stresses withing the concrete of the flange when you don't have full development.  That's a shot in the dark - I'm not certain about it.

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    Peter Hamilton EIT, A.M.ASCE
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  • 6.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-11-2017 09:45 AM
    For the hooks to be in tension, I would subscribe to detail 1

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    Osama Mohamed
    Abu Dhabi University

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  • 7.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-11-2017 09:45 AM
    There is no harm using any of the two methods of detailing provide adequate anchorage length is provided. The Tension developed in the bar may be calculated using the appropriate lever arm from the compression zone.  BS 8110 and Clause 3.12.8.3 gives the guidelines to calculate the length required. Bent bars will obviously contribute to the resistance and may be considered. A simpler way to calculate  tension is by multiplying the area of the bar with its ultimate strength ( 0.87 Fy).  To improve your anchorage you may opt for U bars  as starters instead of L bars.

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    Kim Currun Getandra Singh M.ASCE
    Engineer.
    Vacoas
    Mauritius
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  • 8.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-11-2017 11:07 AM
    The bottom of the toe would be in Tension from the bending stresses. The bottom of the heel is in Compression and it would be better to anchor your reinforcing in a compression zone.

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    Matthew Beck P.E., M.ASCE
    Engr
    Beck Engineering Pc
    Bondville VT
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  • 9.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-11-2017 06:23 PM
    The failure mechanism on the inside of hooks is typically concrete crushing. Because of this, I tend to detail hooks to turn away from the compression zone, that is, bars follow CRSI into the heel. In the case of a retaining wall, the bars on the heel side (soil side) are the ones resisting the moment at the footing/wall intersection. I want to engage those bars into the resisting portion of the footing, that is the heel. If the bars hook into the toe, as the wall tries to rotate away from the soil mass, it increases compressive stress in the concrete under the wall and the bar is not engaged as I would like. Turning the vertical bars toward the heel also decreases demand on the top bars in the footing (P-bars) to resist vertical shear in the footing at the back face of the wall.

    For a retaining wall that is loaded only in one direction, the face bars (K-bars) are optional and do not provide resistance in compression at the base of the wall [i.e., a hook is not allowed by code to develop bars in compression (ACI 318-14 25.4.1.2)]

    While on the subject, the bars need to hook deep enough in the footing to develop the bar at the top of footing. While the bar can be extended horizontally far enough to develop in the footing, the limitation is strength of concrete inside the bend. (That is, a horizontal bar developed in the footing stays developed around the bend up into the wall, but requiring the bar to accept full tensile capacity at the start of a the bend risks unexpected failure.) This can be avoided by providing excess vertical steel with the understanding that the bars are partially developed at the point of maximum moment at the base of the wall. (using the ratio of As,provided to As,required)

    There is some good research on the orientation of hooked bars at wall-wall intersections. In those cases, the limit may be how the bends lay out with the corner. There is a very good Detailing Corner from CRSI in CI about this. The upshot is that bars usually end up turning to the side opposite their position in the wall, like making a left-hand turn on a two-way street from right lane to right lane, just so the bend doesn't foul the inside corner.

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    John Turner P.E., M.ASCE
    Wiss, Janney, Elstner Associates, Inc.
    Irving TX
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  • 10.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-12-2017 09:45 AM
    Hi
    From my experience in similar cantilever wall, the bars should be like in the following image:


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    Chaled Abu Amara S.M.ASCE
    Newton MA
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  • 11.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-15-2017 09:35 AM
    Standard cookbook concrete Tee connection details are fine if your case perfectly fits the conditions such as shear and no moment or tension. But that's rarely the case. Plus the more you search the more contradictions you find of what bars are needed where. So I prefer to do the analysis and run the FE model. A fully loaded concrete connection with 3D forces and moments is more likely the real world case. Then getting all that steel into the connection becomes a problem. Bars connecting inside to inside, outside to outside, inside to outside and a diagonal through the joint in both directions is not likely to all fit and if it did you would have concrete consolidation issues. And good luck getting it constructed that way. I've seen it on nuclear plants and the Zakim Bridge. Like the ends of prestress beams, Industry is considering using UHPC to simplify these congested connection areas by reducing the demand for reinforcing and the related consolidation issues. But we still put unreinforced house foundations on unreinforced leveling footings.


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    Michael Arpino P.E., M.ASCE, SECB
    Structural Engineer
    Federal Highway Adimistration
    Cambridge MA
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  • 12.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-17-2017 09:40 AM
    There has been significant work completed for t-joints in bridges. While bending the bars inwards has merit, it can cause congestion. For bridge joints, column bars are anchored with straight ends to minimize reinforcement congestion. You may want to google "bridge t-joint design"/

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    Sri Sritharan Ph.D., M.ASCE
    Iowa State Univ
    Ames IA
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  • 13.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-15-2017 09:36 AM

    Look at the work described by I. H. E. Nilsson and A. Losberg, "Reinforced Concrete Corners and Joints Subjected to Bending Moment," J. Struct. Div., ASCE, Vol. 102, No. ST6, 1976, pp. 1229–1254. It shows that hooked bars turned inward provide much higher moment capacity than hooked bars turned outward. This is well understood, including the mechanics of the force transfer.



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    David Darwin Ph.D., P.E., F.SEI, Dist.M.ASCE
    Deane E. Ackers Distinguished Professor and Chair
    University of Kansas
    Lawrence KS
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  • 14.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-19-2017 10:59 AM
    It has to be turned inward- it is similar to the beam column joint where the top bars of the beam are turned inside the beam and bottom bars are also turned inside the beam. Experiments done in New Zealand by Prof. Paulay have shown that if you turn the bars outside will not provide an effective nodal point for the development pf compression strut mechanism. See the excellent paper by (Late) Prof. Paulay, which also gives insights to other structural members and their behavior: http://www.iitk.ac.in/nicee/wcee/article/11_2001.PDF
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    [Subramanian] [Narayanan] [Mentor, Consultant and Author]

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  • 15.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-22-2017 09:50 AM
    Edited by Veronique Nguyen 05-22-2017 05:39 PM
    It seems that there is a considerable difference of opinion on this mater. As a student of Prof Tom Paulay 60 years ago it was impressed upon us that you always anchored rebars in the compression zone.

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    Bruce Montgomerie M.ASCE
    Design Engr
    GLOUCESTER
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  • 16.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation
    Best Answer

    Posted 05-23-2017 12:24 PM
    Edited by Krishna Ghimire 05-26-2017 01:09 PM

    Reinforcement detailing at the bottom of retaining walls and in knee-joints (a beam-column joint where both beam and column terminate at the joint) is still a subject of discussion among researchers. A famous study by Nilsson and <g class="gr_ gr_52 gr-alert gr_spell gr_inline_cards gr_run_anim ContextualSpelling ins-del multiReplace" id="52" data-gr-id="52">Losberg</g> in 1976 [1] demonstrated the proper orientation of reinforcing bars in such joints. Figures (a) and (b) from Darwin et al. (2016) [2] after Nilsson and Losberg (1976) [1] below show two different reinforcement configurations at the joint. The joint on the left (Figure a) can reach only 24-40% of the nominal flexural strength of the connecting members, while the joint on the right (Figure b) can reach 82-110% of the nominal flexural strength of the connecting members. The efficiency of each joint depended on the reinforcement ratio.

    Bar bent inward (Figure b) performs better because it is continuously either in tension or in compression when the joint is subjected to bending moment, as shown in Figures (c) and (d). This is, however, not the case in Figure (a); the hooked bar bent outward is in tension (or in compression) at the outer face of the flange and is in compression (or in tension) at the outer face of the web (Figures c and d). Such alternate compression and tension stresses along the same bar makes it ineffective in arresting cracks resulting in reduced joint efficiency.

    An additional bar placed diagonally from the outer face of the flange to the outer face of the web further enhances the joint efficiency by arresting the cracks radiating inward from the corner (Nilsson and Losberg 1976).

                                                    (a)                                                                                                                (b)
    Figures (a) and (b): Comparative efficiencies of T-joints subjected bending moment: (a) 24 to 40% and (b) 82 to 110% depending on reinforcement ratio. (Darwin et al. 2016 [1] after Nilsson andLosberg1976 [2])

                                                         (c)                                                                                                                       (d)

    Figures (c) and (d): T-joint behavior subjected to moment: (a) bending moment and resulting shear forces; (b) strut-and-tie model. (Darwin et al. 2016 [1])

    [1] Nilsson, I. H. E., and <g class="gr_ gr_51 gr-alert gr_spell gr_inline_cards gr_run_anim ContextualSpelling ins-del multiReplace" id="51" data-gr-id="51">Losberg</g>, A., 1976, "Reinforced Concrete Corners and Joints Subjected to Bending Moment," ASCE Structural Division, Vol. 102, No. ST6, pp. 1229-1254.

    [2] Darwin, D., Dolan, C. W., and Nilson, A. H., 2015, Design of Concrete Structures, 15th ed., McGraw-Hill, New York, pp. 776.



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    Krishna Ghimire EIT, A.M.ASCE
    Lawrence KS
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  • 17.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-25-2017 10:01 AM

    Krishna,

    Please, verify for the Fig.(b) of first diagram, the "U" frame is not proper design. No matter what type of concrete is used.



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    Soussan Bathaee A.M.ASCE
    ENGINEERING SVC
    Temecula CA
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  • 18.  RE: Concrete T-Joints- Dowel Orientation

    Posted 05-26-2017 09:44 AM
    Edited by Krishna Ghimire 05-26-2017 03:49 PM

    Soussan,
    Would you please elaborate why you think that is not a proper design?

    The figure does not show any <g class="gr_ gr_128 gr-alert gr_spell gr_inline_cards gr_run_anim ContextualSpelling ins-del multiReplace" id="128" data-gr-id="128">U frame</g> (probably you meant U-bar). Those are 90 deg. hooked bars turned inward.

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    Krishna Ghimire EIT, A.M.ASCE
    Ph.D. Candidate
    The University of Kansas
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