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  • 1.  Building Failures in the 70s and 80s

    Posted 04-06-2023 03:42 PM

    Many of the high-profile structural failures of the 20th century date to the same narrow window of time, around the 70's and 80's.  To name a few:

    1968 - Hartford Coliseum
    1968 - Ronan Point
    1971 - Kansas City Hyatt Regency
    1973 - Bailey's Crossroads
    1978 - Citicorp Center
    1979 - Kemper Arena
    1987 - L'Ambience Plaza
    1988 - Save-On Foods Burnaby, BC

    Is there something unique about this era that ties these failures together?



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    Christian Parker P.E., M.ASCE
    Structural Project Engineer
    Washington DC
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  • 2.  RE: Building Failures in the 70s and 80s

    Posted 04-11-2023 09:52 AM

    Christian, we do indeed learn much from failures, especially if we seek to understand them. But, I believe that the Kansas City Hyatt Regency walkway failure occurred in 1981, rather than 1971. I remember reading articles in Engineering News Record about it. I was early in my career and it got my attention how easily it can be for things to slip past us if we don't draw our "free body diagrams". That was a lesson one of my professors always stressed, and it has served me well over the years. Even if you don't run the calculations, it I'll at least give you perspective. Thanks for the walk Down memory lane.




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    Terry Carpenter P.E., P.L.S, M.ASCE
    TWC Consulting Engineers
    Fayetteville AR
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  • 3.  RE: Building Failures in the 70s and 80s

    Posted 04-12-2023 04:15 PM

    You are correct, 1981. That case was also used by my engineering professors as to the importance of FBDs. I also use it mentoring junior engineers as to the consequences of not sticking to the basics of engineering. I'm afraid however that the importance of the basics are getting lost in some schools.  My most recent mentee earned an ABET accredited BSME without having to take a materials science course.

    There are more recent failures of note, the Champlain Towers collapse (though that was an older structure) and the FIU pedestrian bridge collapse.



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    Tony Shelton A.M.ASCE
    KONE Americas
    Allen TX
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  • 4.  RE: Building Failures in the 70s and 80s

    Posted 04-12-2023 08:52 PM

    Thanks and good catch.  Pardon the typo on my end.

    I agree with Terry and Tony that free body diagrams, equilibrium, and basic mechanics are key to understanding structures, and I share your concern that graduates may be missing foundational skills.  Yet, anecdotally I'm not seeing the scale of large high-profile failures in those structures designed by today's engineers.  I'm open to the possibility that I have blind spots here.  FIU is a noteworthy recent example, but as Tony points out, Champlain Towers South was designed and built in the early 80's.

    We could also attribute the Hyatt to scope gaps, limited constructability consideration, lack of internal QC, and informal communication with the contractor, but none of these seem unique to that era.  If we accept that the safety of engineered structures ebbs and flows over time, we have to recognize that there are other factors at play besides one-off instances of bad practice or technical errors.



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    Christian Parker P.E., M.ASCE
    Structural Project Engineer
    Washington DC
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  • 5.  RE: Building Failures in the 70s and 80s

    Posted 04-12-2023 08:52 PM

    I do not think there was anything special about the era but hopefully we have learned lessons from each of these failures. 
    for example;
    the Hyatt Regency - review of shop drawings are critical , and do not use eccentric connections 
    Save-On food- steel mill certifications are only proof that the stated material properties have been achieved and can not be used to as justification on relying on higher strengths.  For those consultants who know about the project, fee bidding does come with a risk. 
    SEI has a program Collaborative Reporting for Safer Structures US (CROSS-US) (cross-safety.org) 
    modelled after the ISTRUCTE program  Collaborative Reporting for Safer Structures UK (CROSS-UK)   to provide leasons for engineers to learn from





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    David Thompson P.E., M.ASCE
    Principal
    KTA Structural Engineers Ltd.
    Calgary AB
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  • 6.  RE: Building Failures in the 70s and 80s

    Posted 04-13-2023 07:58 AM

    While there might be a common cause that links these failures together, I think it's also important to look at the underlying statistical process for structural failures to test for the likelihood of seeing a run of failures. 



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    Mitch Winkler P.E., M.ASCE
    Houston, TX
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