ABET Civil Engineering Program Criteria Draft

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14. ...explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer ...

  • 1.  14. ...explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer ...

    Posted 04-30-2021 05:13 PM

     

    CURRENT CRITERIA

    PROPOSED CRITERIA

    RATIONALE FOR CHANGE


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    and explain the importance of professional licensure.

    explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer, including licensure and safety.

    ·   The ability to "explain professional attitudes relevant to the practice of civil engineering" is specified as a stand-alone outcome of the CEBOK3.

    ·   According to the CEBOK3, professional attitudes include creativity, curiosity, flexibility, and dependability.

    ·   The CEBOK3 also includes the outcome: "explain professional responsibilities relevant to the practice of civil engineering, including safety, legal issues, licensure, credentialing, and innovation." Of the specific professional responsibilities listed in the CEBOK3 outcome, only licensure and safety are included in the CEPC.  This reflects ASCE's strong emphasis on both professional licensure and safety, while allowing programs greater flexibility to define and emphasize other professional responsibilities. 



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    Leslie Nolen Aff.M.ASCE
    ASCE
    Reston VA
    [Phone]
    lnolen@...
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  • 2.  RE: 14. ...explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer ...

    Posted 29 days ago

    Frequently Asked Question # 1: Why were " professional attitudes and responsibilities" added to the program criteria?

    Answer (As a CEPC Task Committee member) : To be successful in their workplace, civil engineers should possess not only technical knowledge to solve the civil engineering problems, but also professional skills to work in a team. The Civil Engineering Body of Knowledge (CEBOK3) identifies "professional attitudes and responsibilities" labeled as "professional outcomes" as two of the professional skills that engineers should attain. It also defines and elaborates the importance of them. Professional attitudes and responsibilities can be acquired in undergraduate education at a lower level, and by mentored experience in professional practice at a higher level. In undergraduate education, they can be included as part of the civil engineering curriculum. It should be noted that in the undergraduate curriculum there is no requirement to assess the students' ability to explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities.

    According to the CEBOK3, positive professional attitudes create a more effective and pleasant workplace. Perceptions of civil engineers may be enhanced by exhibiting positive attitudes which will likely lead to better career opportunities for civil engineers.

    The CEBOK3 also points out that in order to solve complex problems, civil engineers in their workplace are expected to understand and consider many elements of professional responsibilities, such as safety, legal issues, licensure, credentialing, innovation and ethics. Inclusion of the professional responsibilities in the curriculum will prepare the students to enter into their profession.​

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    Muthusamy Krishnamurthy
    Ph.D, P.E., CFM, F.ASCE
    President
    Hydro Modeling Inc
    Orlando, FL.
    krishna@...
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  • 3.  RE: 14. ...explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer ...

    Posted 29 days ago

    Frequently Asked Question # 2: How can a program implement the "professional attitudes and responsibilities" requirement?

    Answer (As a CEPC Task Committee member): The curricular topics on "professional attitudes and responsibilities" need not to be extensive as long as the student can generally explain their definition, importance and give examples of how to incorporate them in the workplace. Therefore, there is no need to develop a separate course in the curriculum. These topics can be covered in a class of any required course. For example many civil engineering programs offer an "introduction to civil engineering" course to first-year or sophomore students. One lecture can cover the required topics and a simple class test can reveal whether the students can explain some basics of this curricular topic. These topics can be also covered in upper level courses including the senior design course. The syllabus of the course can be modified to include the professional attitudes and responsibilities.

    A seminar on professional attitudes and responsibilities can be organized by the student chapter of ASCE or a department. The students could be incentivized to attend. A copy of the seminar's agenda and the topics covered in the seminar should be adequate to demonstrate that these topics are covered in the curriculum.

    As part of advising, an advisor can offer "career advice" to the students on the importance of professional attitudes and responsibilities in the workplace.  Inclusion in faculty mentoring guidance of the importance of discussing  professional attitudes and responsibilities with students would be one way of demonstrating program commitment to these topics.

    Another way of introducing these topics in the curriculum is through a student's "self-study."  Many free mini courses can be found online on "attitudes."  The CEBOK3 publication contains topics on professional attitudes and responsibilities.  It can be downloaded freely from the ASCE website. Student's work as part of the self-study should prove that these topics are included in the curriculum.

     



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    Muthusamy (Krishna) Krishnamurthy, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, F.ASCE
    President, Hydro Modeling Inc.,
    Orlando, FL
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  • 4.  RE: 14. ...explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer ...

    Posted 15 days ago
    • 14...EXPLAIN THE PROFESSIONAL ATTITUDES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF A CIVIL ENGINEER ...
    1. Protect the safety, health, and welfare of the public.
    2. "Professional skills to work in a team." Minimum requirements[1] to learn the 5-Ws and 1-H below.
    3. If you see something, say something right then, OUTLOUD.

                If others in charge put off looking into your concern,

               get an immediate audience with the Principal-in-Charge.

       Stay Healthy!
      Cheers,
      Bill

      [1] Listening Skills; Open-ended questions; MBTI understanding; Women Leadership Strategies; Form mixed Forums.



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      William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
      Buffalo, N.Y.

      "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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    1. 5.  RE: 14. ...explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer ...

      Posted 15 days ago
      There is no correlation to the topics of study listed to the underlying responsibility of an engineer -health and safety of the general public.  Drafting, modeling, building, and surveying are all absent from the curriculum.  From there, the concepts of constructability, means & methods, and field inspection can be developed.  Math alone does not determine whether something is safe because it meets a certain threshold.  Lab work does not necessarily include art & design.  Whether these concepts are covered in Engineering 101 or a Capstone course does not matter... the criteria listed appears to be free of creativity and critical thinking needed to apply the math and science being taught.  While judgment is gained with professional experience there is no reason not to include curriculum that fosters it.

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      Chad Morrison P.E., M.ASCE
      Professional Engineer
      Greenville RI
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    2. 6.  RE: 14. ...explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer ...

      Posted 15 days ago
      Good observations. The topics you called attention to are more likely to be found in ABET ETAC programs which offer a little more practical learning and a little less theoretical learning. The ETAC graduate can day one be productive at things like drafting, modeling, building, and surveying, plus be ready to apply STEM knowledge. Unfortunately, ABET ETAC programs are not universally accepted for pursuing PE licensing throughout the United States.

      The profession should view EAC like an M.D. and ETAC like a D.O. The M.D. and the D.O. are both doctors and can do the same jobs, but their educational experience and approach to their real world work slightly differ.

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      David Fedor P.E., M.S.
      Assistant Professor of Civil Engineering Technology
      Pennsylvania College of Technology
      Williamsport, PADavid Fedor P.E., M.S.
      Assistant Professor of Civil Engineering Technology
      Pennsylvania College of Technology
      Williamsport, PA
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    3. 7.  RE: 14. ...explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer ...

      Posted 15 days ago

      From their very first week of class, these potential Civil Engineers need to be "Inoculated" with the goal that Civil Engineers are to protect the safety, health, and welfare of the public. This goal is a constant for any level of Civil Engineering work, in any capacity.

      No question that their skills with calculations, drafting, and the like are quite important. But as their technical skills improve and change with time, this overarching goal will never change.

      Stay Healthy!

      Cheers,

      Bill



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      William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
      Buffalo, N.Y.

      "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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    4. 8.  RE: 14. ...explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer ...

      Posted 14 days ago
      These are great points, and the referenced content is certainly essential to success whether it is part of the curriculum or learned quickly on the job. The ABET criteria do not represent a full curriculum, though they try to focus on priorities. Since the ABET General Criteria includes "an ability to recognize ethical and professional responsibilities in engineering situations and make informed judgments, which must consider the impact of engineering solutions in global, economic, environmental, and societal contexts" we can link to the ASCE Code of Ethics and be confident that protection of the health, safety and welfare of the public is still a priority in our curricula. Although review of the ASCE Body of Knowledge, 3rd edition can provide a closer approach to curriculum guidance, what occurs in course work still really depends on the individual programs working hard to provide the learning that is essential for their graduates to succeed. The six year ABET review cycles assure that Program Evaluators have a chance to confirm that a program is not drifting away from crucial learning.

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      Kevin G. Sutterer, P.E., Ph.D.
      Head, Civil and Environmental Engineering
      Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
      Terre Haute, Indiana
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    5. 9.  RE: 14. ...explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer ...

      Posted 7 days ago

      Thank you, Dr. Hayden, Mr. Morrison, and Prof. Fedor for your thoughtful input which will be considered in preparing the commentary on the Program Criteria.  I also want to thank Dr. Sutterer, my colleague in the CEPC Task Committee for responding to the questions raised in the forum. A copy of the BOK3 document is available in the library of this forum.  This document contains detailed information on the "Attitudes" and "Professional Responsibilities."  As mentioned earlier, while an aspiring civil engineering student can't learn all the attributes of these outcomes outlined in the BOK3 document in an academic environment, exposure to these outcomes even at the minimum level will set the stage for the student to attain them at a higher level during the professional practice.



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      Muthusamy Krishnamurthy
      Ph.D, P.E., CFM, F.ASCE
      President
      Hydro Modeling Inc
      Orlando, FL.
      krishna@...
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    6. 10.  RE: 14. ...explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer ...

      Posted 7 days ago
      And, thank you, Dr.  Krishnamurthy, et al, for the openness to invite and consider the opinions of all!

      Stay Healthy!

      Cheers,
      Bill


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      William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
      Buffalo, N.Y.

      "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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    7. 11.  RE: 14. ...explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer ...

      Posted 19 hours ago
      Safety is our top priority.

      I always think of civil engineering as playing a critical role in improving/ensuring the health, safety and welfare of our fellow citizens.

      In my work in transportation (and at the U.S. Department of Transportation), safety is always our first priority. In planning, design, operation and construction of our civil infrastructure, safety is a common performance metric that drives our work. We often hold peoples' lives in our hands through our work. As a CE faculty member and department chair, the safety of our labs and facilities is of paramount importance.

      I would recommend using safety as an overarching theme woven through everything we do. I appreciate that safety is included, but it is literally the last word and I would hope it would be the first word. Safety First. Thanks for your consideration.

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      Robert Bertini Ph.D., P.E., F.ASCE
      Corvallis OR
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    8. 12.  RE: 14. ...explain the professional attitudes and responsibilities of a civil engineer ...

      Posted 18 hours ago
      Thank you, Dr. Bertini, for your comment and perspective.  For you, and others interested in the addition of "safety" explicitly in the Civil Engineering Program Criteria even though "safety" is part of the EAC General Criteria, please see also the thread on the Forum on "Undergraduate Education in Construction Safety."

      Dave Dzombak

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      David Dzombak, PhD, PE, Dist.M.ASCE
      Hamerschlag University Professor and Dept Head
      Dept of Civil and Environmental Engineering
      Carnegie Mellon University
      Pittsburgh, PA 15213
      dzombak@...
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