ABET Civil Engineering Program Criteria Draft

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Suggestions to criteria.

  • 1.  Suggestions to criteria.

    Posted 05-07-2021 09:33 AM
    7) The term sustainability is more and more replaced by resilience that includes sustainability.

    11) conduct experiments in at least two civil engineering contexts and report the results;
    I don't know any experiment where the results would not be reported, seems unnecessary, and detracts.  I would drop it or go back to interpret.  That has more meaning.

    12)    apply the engineering design process to develop a system.... The design process is a system as well.  Recommend "apply a systems approach to engineering design"

    Thanks for listening


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    Robert Traver Ph.D., P.E., D.WRE, F.EWRI, F.ASCE
    PROFESSOR
    Villanova University
    Villanova PA
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  • 2.  RE: Suggestions to criteria.

    Posted 05-07-2021 01:18 PM
    Thanks very much for your comments.  The Task Committee will consider your suggestions during our next round of revisions.

    With regard to experimentation--your point is well taken.  Eliminating the reference to reporting results would simplify the criterion and, in practice, wouldn't detract from it because lab experiences almost always require a report.  But it's probably not necessary to reinstate the provision regarding interpretation, because this is already specified in the General Criteria.  (Criterion 3, Outcome 6: "an ability to develop and conduct appropriate experimentation, analyze and interpret data, and use engineering judgment to draw conclusions.")

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    Stephen Ressler Ph.D., P.E., Dist.M.ASCE
    Professor Emeritus
    Bethlehem PA
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  • 3.  RE: Suggestions to criteria.

    Posted 05-08-2021 08:30 AM
    Rob - this is worth an extended discussion.  I have had this debate with my colleagues at Drexel and my sense is there is an intersection between the attributes of resilience and sustainability.  For example, one can design a 12 lane highway to be resilient (or Musk's hyper loop), but there is no way it will be sustainable

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    Charles Haas F.ASCE
    LD Betz Professor of Environ. Eng. & Department Head - Civil, Architectural and Environmental Eng.
    Philadelphia PA
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  • 4.  RE: Suggestions to criteria.

    Posted 05-08-2021 10:26 PM

    We can agree to disagree.  Are you saying a roadway should be designed to be Non Sustainable :)?   The Design should consider sustainability principles, even if it doens look very green.  Material usage, design life, runoff ....

    I see your point that concrete is not green, but it should be designed with sustainability principles.

    Hope you are well!

    Rob



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    Robert Traver Ph.D., P.E., D.WRE, F.EWRI, F.ASCE
    PROFESSOR
    Villanova University
    Villanova PA
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  • 5.  RE: Suggestions to criteria.

    Posted 05-09-2021 08:05 AM

    Rob,
    All the best. I know it is controversial, but at this point I would view expansion of any roadway as a single mode transportation asset is of low sustainability.  Could it be made less unsustainable, well yes.

    Best to you.
    Chuck



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    Charles Haas F.ASCE
    LD Betz Professor of Environ. Eng. & Department Head - Civil, Architectural and Environmental Eng.
    Philadelphia PA
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  • 6.  RE: Suggestions to criteria.

    Posted 05-08-2021 06:36 PM
    Dr. Traver -
    thanks for your suggestions.  We suggest putting these suggestions in the topic.  This way others can add to your comments in an orderly way.  Could you repost in the three locations. Thanks!

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    Jay Puckett P.E., F.ASCE
    Professor
    Winter Park CO
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