ABET Civil Engineering Program Criteria Draft

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_9. ... explain concepts and principles in project management and engineering economics;

  • 1.  _9. ... explain concepts and principles in project management and engineering economics;

    Posted 04-28-2021 04:36 PM

    CURRENT CRITERIA

    PROPOSED CRITERIA

    RATIONALE FOR CHANGE

    explain basic concepts in project management, business, [and] public policy

    explain concepts and principles in project management and engineering economics;

    • The ability to explain concepts and principles in project management and engineering economics is specified in stand-alone outcomes of the CEBOK3.
    • The phrase "basic concepts" is changed to "concepts and principles" for consistency with the CEBOK3.
    • The current requirements for curricular content in business and public policy have been deleted, because they are no longer specified as stand-alone outcomes in the CEBOK.


  • 2.  RE: _9. ... explain concepts and principles in project management and engineering economics;

    Posted 05-26-2021 12:04 PM
    CE Faculty to partner with non-engineers who have expertise in the practical application of
    sociocultural psychology to:
    a. Transform individual experts into an expert team.

    b. How to listen to others without immediate judgment.

    c. Why observable behaviors at the firm's top impact the culture at all levels of the organization.

    d. Learn that no less than 85% of failed projects are due to a lack of knowledge and skill with
    people, process, and leadership. At most, technology only accounts for about 15% of such failures.

    e. How to speak truth to power..

    Respectfully,
    Bill

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    William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
    Buffalo, N.Y.

    "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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  • 3.  RE: _9. ... explain concepts and principles in project management and engineering economics;

    Posted 05-26-2021 12:14 PM
    Dr. Hayden, thanks very much for your contribution to this discussion.  These are great suggestions for specific issues that could be included in a CE curriculum to meet the criteria requirements regarding teamwork, leadership, and project management.  The Task Committee will consider these suggestions for inclusion of the Commentary document which will be developed to complement the new criteria.

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    Stephen Ressler Ph.D., P.E., Dist.M.ASCE
    Professor Emeritus
    Bethlehem PA
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  • 4.  RE: _9. ... explain concepts and principles in project management and engineering economics;

    Posted 05-28-2021 05:12 PM
    Someone suggested I look into the offerings that ASCE Cont Ed has.

    I did prior to my notes.

    They have some 1400 + offerings, with none other than Techie courses.

    Also, they suggested I propose such non-tech courses.
    I replied that others who did so were rejected as they argued Engrs only want techie stuff.

    Hence the inbreeding of what got us to this point.
    Bill

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    William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
    Buffalo, N.Y.

    "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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  • 5.  RE: _9. ... explain concepts and principles in project management and engineering economics;

    Posted 05-28-2021 06:13 PM
    Well this certainly looks like an opportunity.  We have ASCE staff on this discussion and we will take this forward to the ASCE continuing education staff.

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    Jay Puckett P.E., F.ASCE
    Director
    University of Nebraska
    Omaha NE
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  • 6.  RE: _9. ... explain concepts and principles in project management and engineering economics;

    Posted 06-16-2021 07:00 PM
    We seem to be matching the CEBOK3 here, but at a basic level, if the program criteria are meant to be updated as the field of civil engineering changes and adapts over time (ASCE 2019 Civil Engineering Education Summit document), then I'm not sure why we're adding "engineering economics" now as it's not new.  We have no issues meeting this criteria at the US Air Force Academy, but if CE programs have survived/thrived for so long without this being specifically called out, I don't necessarily see why it needs to be added now vs something more innovative like "numerical methods" which is also in the proposed criteria update.  If we're matching the CEBOK3, then fine, but I certainly wouldn't point to engineering econ as something that's changed in the field of CE since BOK2 in 2008.

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    Joel Sloan
    Colorado Springs CO
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  • 7.  RE: _9. ... explain concepts and principles in project management and engineering economics;

    Posted 06-16-2021 07:13 PM
    Good points, Joel.
    BOK3 is a primary resource, but not the only perspective.
    I will send more information about Engineering economics offline, as to not risk others being buried with some details.  Jay

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    Jay Puckett P.E., F.ASCE
    Director
    University of Nebraska
    Omaha NE
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