This proposed criteria does not exclusively call for, require, or limit uncertainty to computation, correct? The terms probability and statistics seem to be strongly associated with computation/calculation, numbers. Uncertainty and risk as a topic is not entirely a computation/calculation. I seem to recall discussion of this in some CEPCTC call of the past. Is there value to identify this is the case, that to "apply probability and statistics to address uncertainty and risk relevant to civil engineering" is not just calculation/computation, or numbers? Possibly this is something for the ASCE Commentary also.
Early in my career, during a concrete pour, not a large quantity but for a foundation for a heavy tank, the one & only vibrator the contractor had on site stopped working. Then I realized a bit more about why the specs. required a backup vibrator. No computation/calculation or numbers were needed.
Computation/calculation, numbers would seemingly always be a part of this criteria. What stood out to me as a great example of construction engineering from many years ago was a retired construction company executive speaking about how many folks were convened to determine a safety factor. The many folks included the company executive, other executives, lawyers, insurance company reps., & others. The issue was NOT how to compute any value. The issue was should a safety factor of 2.75 or 3.25 or something else be used because "failure could mean the end of the company." Performing the computation/calculation is less an issue compared to the judgment of what safety factor is appropriate to use in the computation/calculation.
Possibly such a distinction is also a matter of technology or engineering [ETAC or EAC]. At the moment, this discussion is EAC ABET relevant. That makes me curious if apply is the appropriate Bloom's level. An engineer should analyze and evaluate risk, in my opinion not just calculate/compute. Ha, ha to me, when I search for Bloom's verbs, I get a site that has the word "calculating" first under the Analyzing column while "judging" is under the the Applying column.

David Devine P.E., L.S., M.ASCE
Fort Wayne IN

Original Message:
Sent: 04282021 04:20 PM
From: Jay Puckett
Subject: _5. ... apply probability and statistics to address uncertainty and risk ...
CURRENT CRITERIA

PROPOSED CRITERIA

RATIONALE FOR CHANGE

apply probability and statistics to address uncertainty;

apply probability and statistics to address uncertainty and risk relevant to civil engineering;

 The CEBOK3 explicitly requires the ability to apply probability and statistics "to determine risk relevant to civil engineering."
