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  • 1.  Asking for a raise with an added degree

    Posted 07-21-2019 10:03 PM
    Greetings,

    I work for an Infrastructure General Contractor as a Field Engineer. I enrolled in an executive MBA course (hybrid), and I am on my way to earning the degree early next year. I want to know your perspective on whether having an additional management degree is reason enough to ask for a higher compensation package. How would you as a manager look at the scenario if one of your employees seeks a raise after having secured an MBA degree. How common is this and how much does it count in the construction industry?

    Any bonus tips on how to initiate the conversation from is always welcome. Thank you for your time reading this!

    Regards,


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    Kinnaresh Patel A.M.ASCE
    Field Engineer
    Orlando FL
    (512)954-4588
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  • 2.  RE: Asking for a raise with an added degree

    Posted 07-22-2019 10:20 AM
    My friend, consider your choices in the context of leadership and management. . . in practice.

    You meet for a scheduled session with Sally, your manager, to discuss this.

    • Sally: Hi Kinnaresh, good to see you, thanks for setting this meeting up. What's on your mind?

    • Kinnaresh: Well Sally, as I am within 75 days or so of completing my Executive MBA, I wondered what your policy is for increasing compensation once an additional management degree is awarded?

                                                                                       * 
    VERSUS *

    Kinnaresh:

    Thanks Sally for making the time to meet with me and consider my proposal. My individual and group work during the Executive MBA program opened my eyes to better understand why our technical skill sets are most important, but not sufficient to compete efficiently and effectively in today's environment. Would you see the value, and provide support for the development of an internal office/field task force to address the identification, and cross-discipline improvement of the "Change Order Process?"

    Thanks for reading and considering my thoughts.
    Cheers,
    Bill

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    William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
    Buffalo, N.Y.

    "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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  • 3.  RE: Asking for a raise with an added degree

    Posted 07-26-2019 01:39 PM
    Mr. Hayden,

    Thank you for your response! I will certainly keep that in mind.

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    Kinnaresh Patel A.M.ASCE
    Field Engineer
    D.A.B. Constructors Inc.
    Orlando FL
    (512)954-4588
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  • 4.  RE: Asking for a raise with an added degree

    Posted 07-28-2019 09:24 AM
    Hi again Kinnaresh, sorry for my original long-winded reply.

    Short Version:
    Money will flow to those who add value to the 
    organization,
    to its clients, its people, its core values and purpose.

    Cheers,
    Bill

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    William M. Hayden Jr., Ph.D., P.E., CMQ/OE, F.ASCE
    Buffalo, N.Y.

    "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -- George Eliot 1819 - 1880
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  • 5.  RE: Asking for a raise with an added degree

    Posted 07-24-2019 12:58 AM
    Hello Kinnaresh,
    First, let me congratulate and encourage you in the pursuit of higher ed. It is my hope that you continue to be a life long learner and apply the skills you've learned to better the industry.

    To answer your question, my advice is NOT to view the additional credential as a compelling reason to ask for a raise. Instead view it as potential for increased responsibilities and positions. These increased responsibilities will get you the raise. I have no doubt your employer already knew you were smart and ambitious and it will likely come as no surprise that you will earn this MBA and other credentials as you grow in your career. 

    But, try to look at it from the Executives perspective, if I am to run and grow a healthy organization then I need to control and predict fixed operational expenses (much of that will be payroll) while increasing net assets for the company. Each year, when I set the operational budget, I would like it to be as predictable as I can for this year, next and potentially as far as 5 years out - that means the employer already has in mind your pay raise progression. When you talk to your employer about raises, try not to surprise her/him. The person will need time to plan out those resources. Try approaching the employer with the mindset that you've learned new skills that you believe to benefit the organization and are eager to prove your value. Set some measurable objectives and perhaps offer a challenge that if you hit these goals, then some reward would follow. It's OK to talk about raises and bonuses but approach it with a win/win mentality. Avoid approaching it as  "I did this thing you didn't ask me to do so now I deserve more money". Hopefully, You can see how one approach would be more appealing over the other.

    Lastly, I'll add that I'm a big fan of bonus sharing based on overall company objectives as opposed to salary raises. A bit tongue in cheek with the next statement so don't take it too seriously.... but In a CEO's perfect world there would be no salary raises just a predictable amount of fixed overhead and all would share in excess revenues as goals are met based on contributions to the effort.

    Sorry, my friend, I know it's not what you wanted to hear. But don't get discouraged the fact that you even wanted to pursue a graduate degree sets the foundation for success. It will come!

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    Jesse Kamm PhD, PMP, A.M.ASCE
    Senior Vice President of Construction Management
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  • 6.  RE: Asking for a raise with an added degree

    Posted 07-26-2019 01:40 PM
    Mr. Kamm,

    Agreed. Just like you pointed out my intention in getting an EMBA was to gain some knowledge in the field of finance and accounting, to keep my options open of working in a sector other than construction. I was just wondering if I am missing a trick by not asking for a raise here. While in college at a career fair, I remember talking to a Project Manager at a booths of a company similar to the one I am at right now. I was talking about a friend of mine who at that time finished an EMBA while he was now working with the same PM I was talking to and he jokingly said "Now we'll have to pay him more. Don't tell him I said that"

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    Kinnaresh Patel A.M.ASCE
    Field Engineer
    D.A.B. Constructors Inc.
    Orlando FL
    (512)954-4588
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